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Eurofighter Typhoon

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  1. Steel

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    Cameron surrenders fight for Britain's India Typhoon deal

    Sources at the Indian defence ministry have now reportedly ruled out “any comeback” for the Typhoon bid, which was 25% more expensive than its French rival

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    David Cameron has been accused of giving up on thousands of British defence jobs after India’s decision to buy French-made fighter jets.

    Despite telling MPs he would fight to change the Indian government’s mind, it has emerged the PM has not spoken once to his Indian counterpart since the announcement two weeks ago.

    Sources at the Indian defence ministry have now reportedly ruled out “any comeback” for the Typhoon bid, which was 25% more expensive than its French rival.

    The Indians decided to buy the Rafale jets from French firm Dassault instead of British-made Eurofighter jets for its air force.

    A day after the decision was announced, Mr Cameron told the Commons he would “go on making the case” for the British Eurofighter Typhoon, which he said had “far better capabilities than Rafale”.

    He also said: “Eurofighter is not out of the contest and we need to re-engage to make sure we get the best deal for all those workers in Britain who make Eurofighters.”

    But he has since admitted he has yet to put in a single call to the Indians about the £8billion deal.

    Labour said it had supported the Government’s efforts to change India’s mind “until we realised they weren’t making any”.

    Shadow Defence Minister Jim Murphy said: “It is incredible that, while President Sarkozy has played a role flying the flag for French companies, David Cameron has been no more than a spectator.”

    Tory David Davis also criticised India’s decision – pointing out the UK gives far more in aid to the country than France. He said: “[It] is disastrous for thousands of workers.” Defence firm BAE hoped to assemble the 126 jets at Warton and Samlesbury, in Lancashire.

    * Civil servants at the MoD have let 15 big military projects slip a total of 26 years behind schedule and £6billion over budget – to a total cost of £60billion, MPs have said.


    Cameron surrenders fight for Britain's India Typhoon deal - Mirror Online
     
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  2. G777

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    There was nothing wrong, what the report says is true however it does not say it cant be done, the F35 is the most expensive program ever, it would be cheaper to bulild a naval typhoon rather than fix all of F35s problems and make the QE2 ramp into a catapult. There is the old study back before the year 2000 that they were planning to make a naval typhoon, but ofcourse the problems are repeated today as in back then.

    The aircraft has an airbrake, large radar plus larger wing areas. BAE have done everything to lower the weight, however the Tranche3A is to be different. As the document said "The aircraft suffered a major weight escalation during design" which was back in the 1990s because thats when the aircraft was being designed. Since then we have been stuck with the cold war design. So I am hopeful they will succeed.

    Below is my own study on other reasons of its weight \/

    I should have also mentioned that the reason that the aircraft is also very heavy:

    titaniumhttp://www.kcicms.com/pdf/factfiles/titanium/ssw0911_titanium_kci.pdf?resourceId=121
    http://www.premium-aerotec.com/Binaries/Binary4432/PM_300_EF-RMT_EN.pdf
    http://www.ukintpress-conferences.com/conf/aero06/pres/ndt_1/murphy.pdf

    The aircraft is supposed to be made of 15% titanium in very few parts of the aircraft however there are some places that say there is Titanium in the fuselage:

    EADS Global Website - Serial high-tech: Premium AEROTEC delivers 400th fuselage centre section for Eurofighter




    Typhoon was designed to defend Europe from a soviet invasion, nowadays there is no chance of that happening to Europe, we dont have Russian bombers flying close to us anymore like back in the cold war times. Though I wish they would. For all the scare from spares the Typhoon still did its job in Libya, does that not show that the aircraft is capable of a war scenario, we may not have the spares, but imagine what would happen if you were nuked. If there were aircraft left you can bet there is going to be damage. So I am glad in a way our engineers, well, all nation engineers made an aircraft that could be fixed quick enough to get into the fight.

    This is from our airforce:

    Our Govt does not support the Typhoon. However they do not realise the aircrafts potential to somone that is worried of getting invaded (like India maybe), the aircraft has fibre optic cables (so EMP, microwaves) would have less effect on the aircraft that others.

    Fibre optics aint cheap.

    TBH, I would rather hand over the aircraft to somone that would look after it rather than the UK.

    Reason forl lack of spares - Political. Did you hear about whats happening to BAE shipyards?

    Here is a good video on the Eurofighter, it starts march the 27th 1994, yep the typhoon is old!

    Azimuth - Eurofighter - YouTube
     
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    13 Feb, 2012, 07.25PM IST

    Britain again raises the pitch for Eurofighter Typhoon for fighter deal

    BANGALORE: Britain today sought to raise the pitch for Eurofighter Typhoon, positioning it as the "strongest offer", two weeks after it lost out to French-made Rafale in the multi-billion contract for the supply of 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) to India.

    "We feel that the Typhoon is the strongest offer...obviously, otherwise we wouldn't be hoping that's the competitive bid.Obviously, there are still some considerations that need to be made", UK Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Jeremy Browne told reporters in response to questions.

    Eurofighter Typhoon is made by EADS and financed by the four-nation consortium of Britain, Germany, Spain and Italy.

    He said Britain feels that Typhoon is the "best technology for India and also offers the right mix of technology transfer and it's the best operationally and it's the best in technology terms".

    "I hope that the (Indian) government will continue to look at the (Typhoon) offer. My understanding is that the preferred bidder decision has been made but final outcome has not been completely determined and we continue to believe that we have an attractive offer available", Browne said.

    Asked if Typhoon would lower the bid to win back the contract, he said: "That's a commercial decision which the people making the offer need to make".

    On some British MPs demanding an end to British aid to India after Typhoon failed to win the contract, Browne said he certainly does not believe that one should link development spending to contracts. "No, I don't", he responded when asked if he subscribed to the view of some British MPs who saw India's decision as a "snub" and failure of British diplomacy.

    "The Indian government is completely free to decide who wins contract", Browne said, noting that "obviously, when there is a British bidder, we would like the British bidder to be successful". He termed Typhoon as the "strongest offer".

    Browne, however, stressed that the relationship between India and Britain is built on "much more solid foundations" and does not depend on a single contract, even a "big and important bid like this".

    Britain again raises the pitch for Eurofighter Typhoon for fighter deal - The Economic Times
     
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    The Falklands again

    Published: Feb. 13, 2012 at 6:30 AM

    By MARTIN WALKER, UPI Editor Emeritus
    LONDON, Feb. 13 (UPI) -- Some say it is the new Meryl Streep movie about Margaret Thatcher coming out in time for the 30th anniversary of her splendid little war.

    Others claim it is the posting of the heir to the British throne and his air force helicopter and the deployment of the world's most advanced new warship and nuclear missile submarine to those cold South Atlantic waters.

    Observers of Argentine politics say it is all to do with the pre-election opinion poll numbers of President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. And the local media regularly assert that the Obama administration wouldn't support their traditional British ally as President Ronald Reagan did during the Falklands war of 1982 when Thatcher sent a battle fleet to retake the islands from the Argentine invaders.

    The real reason for the recent saber rattling in the South Atlantic is likely to be revealed this week when Edison Investment Research delivers a newly leaked study suggesting that Britain stands to receive a tax windfall of $180 billion from renewed prospects of more than 4 billion barrels of oil to be recovered around the British-owned islands.

    Forecasts of the Falklands oil wealth come and go. Only last month, British Energy Secretary Chris Huhne told Parliament that the oil exploration so far had been "disappointing," with dry wells and thin yields and massive drilling costs in some of the most storm-swept and forbidding offshore conditions on the planet.

    The Argentineans don't believe a word of it. They maintain a special task force of officials from the defense and foreign ministries along with oil and engineering experts who monitor the progress of the four British oil exploration companies at work in the region.

    In December, struck by reports of talks between one of these companies, Rockhopper, and the American Anadarko group, the Argentine government launched a diplomatic offensive with its Latin American neighbors to block access for all Falklands shipping to South American ports.

    One of the authors of the new report on the potential tax bonanza, Edison's Ian McLelland, said in London, "With current tax and fishing incomes in the region of $40 million, the islands look set to be transformed by the oil industry."

    But he added the crucial caveat that with investment of up to $2 billion required to exploit the Falklands oil, the diplomatic risks might prove too high.

    "The proverbial spanner in the works that remains is the ongoing political dispute between Britain and Argentina regarding sovereignty of the Falklands," he said.

    Britain says its sovereignty over the islands predates the existence of the state of Argentina and it will endure so long as the 3,000 islanders say they wish to remain British.

    The Argentines have been raising the diplomatic stakes, accusing Britain at the United Nations of sending the missile-armed nuclear submarine of the Vanguard class to the region to menace Argentina, in defiance of a treaty that seeks to establish a nuclear free zone in the South Atlantic. U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called on bother sides to "avoid escalation."

    Britain refuses to comment on submarine deployments but denounced the claim as "absurd." And it is true that the British navy's latest warship, HMS Dauntless, claimed to be the most powerful anti-aircraft and anti-missile ship in the world (ironically, it was designed as a result of lessons learned from British losses in the Falklands war) has been deployed to the islands.

    Designed with stealth technology to give it the radar profile of a fishing boat, the destroyer's S1850M 3D radar system can track up to 1,000 targets simultaneously and its anti-aircraft Aster missiles can reach out 80 miles -- the Falklands are about 300 miles east of mainland South America-- to swat down attackers. With a crew of 190 sailors and two on-board Lynx helicopters, Dauntless carries Sea Skua and Harpoon anti-ship missiles and top secret anti-missile defenses.

    Defense experts warn that British defense cuts mean that the navy couldn't mount another 1982-style counter-invasion against an Argentine occupation of the islands. But the presence of Dauntless, backed up by four advanced Eurofighter Typhoon fighter-bombers from the new Mount Pleasant airfield and some 500 troops, makes it a formidable target for an Argentine attack. Britain sends at estimated $700 million a year to maintain Falklands defenses.

    The key question remains how much oil is really exploitable and at what cost. The largest field currently being explored, called Loligo, is claimed to hold 4.7 billion barrels. The field that has been most fully surveyed and developed, Sea Lion, is expected to produce 448 million barrels over the next 20 years, the Rockhopper Explorations company said.

    Rockhopper's most recent announcement gave an estimate of 1.3 billion barrels for its Sea Lion discovery, with prospect of more oil in the nearby Caspar and Kermit fields. Other companies, including the Desire group and Falkland Oil and Gas have found dry or disappointing wells and another group, Borders and Southern, has had difficulty hiring a deep-sea drilling rig.

    But this dispute is getting beyond economic and engineering logic and the real costs and opportunities of the oil, and is getting embroiled in the same heated rhetoric of national pride and sovereignty that triggered the 1982 war.

    Above all, it relates to the new foreign policy posture of the Obama administration and its perceived downgrading of the U.S. commitment to its traditional European allies and to Britain. As the United States focuses more on the Chinese threat across the Pacific and on its own Western hemisphere, the Argentine government suspects that the Brits might be on their own.

    Walker's World: The Falklands again - UPI.com

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    War soon people. Typhoon will slaughter them all. :butcher:
     
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    Info - Eurofighter stars in Cobra 11, Germany’s top TV action series

    Monday, 13. February 2012


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    Eurofighter Typhoon is the star of the first episode of the new season of “Alarm für Cobra 11 - Die Autobahnpolizei” the popular German television series. Produced by Action Concept and broadcast in Germany on channel RTL, the series has been successfully running for over 15 years and is shown in over 140 countries worldwide. The programme draws audiences from China to Mexico and Turkey to Czech Republic to name a few. In Germany, over five million viewers watch a single episode.


    Cobra 11 has been the most successful action series on German television since its launch in 1996. In total, over 230 episodes have been shown so far and the show has always been known for tough stunts, dramatic car chases, action loaded combat scenes as well as breathtaking stories.

    The unique Eurofighter episode called “Ãœberschall” (“Supersonic”) launches the 20th season of the show and had its world premiere during the Berlin Film Festival “Berlinale 2012” on Sunday, February 12th. The German TV broadcast is scheduled for March 8th 2012.

    In this thrilling episode, the film crew went to the Luftwaffe base of Jagdgeschwader 73 Steinhoff in Rostock–Laage in Northern Germany to get footage of the aircraft. The plot centers around a fictional female Luftwaffe pilot who has to perform a spectacular emergency landing of the Eurofighter (actually a 1:1 model) on a German highway just in front of the noses of Ben and Semir - the two action heroes of Cobra 11 police team.

    The show includes the usual mix of stunts and special effects thanks to Action Concept, the Luftwaffe and footage provided by Eurofighter.

    This momentous Eurofighter episode was produced with extensive efforts and will go down in action history as one of the most impressive “Cobra 11” episodes ever made - it may just become the most popular one yet. The Eurofighter slogan perfectly applies to this Cobra 11 episode: Nothing Comes Close!


    Eurofighter:  News Detail
     
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    Well what do you know, EFT is about to appear on Prime Time. :singing:
     
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    Swiss report leak will be another blow for Typhoons reputation in international market.
     
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    True, depends who take seriously. :to_pick_ones_nose3:

    I had troble opening it but from what I hear, no one knows which aircraft were used. Somone on starstreak says it coulb be tranche 1 typoon. Sorry feel ill.

    but anyways thnx for caring
     
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    Here is somthing interesting:

    Eurofighter News

    DA2 reaches its top speed, M2.0.
    Date : 22nd December 1997 Source : Unspecified Author : PSO

    The BAe DA2, operating from BAe Warton reaches the required maximum velocity rating of mach 2 during speed trials over the Irish Sea. This is a great achivement considering the DA2 is still equipped with the RB199 engines. Even greater performance should be achievable with the higher output of the EJ200.

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    Very interesting indeed.:respect:
     
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    EUROJET - Eurojet Turbo GmbH (International) - Jane's Aero-Engines

    EUROJET - Eurojet Turbo GmbH (International), Aero-engines - Manufacturer

    Description
    Formed in August 1986, Eurojet Turbo GmbH is a German-registered consortium comprising Avio (previously Fiat Avio) of Italy, Industria de Turbo Propulsores (ITP) of Spain, MTU Aero Engines of Germany, and Rolls-Royce of the United Kingdom. All these companies have entries in Jane's Aero-Engines. The Eurojet company was established to co-ordinate the design, development, manufacture, support and export of the EJ200 augmented turbofan engine for what was initially, in 1986, called the Eurofighter 2000. The following are major milestones in the Eurojet programme:1985 Start of technology-acquisition phase.1986 Eurojet Turbo GmbH formed; basic EJ200 engine design completed.1986 Formation of the customer interface, styled as the NATO EF2000/Tornado Management Agency, or Netma.1988 EJ200 development contract signed; completion of Design Verification Engine (DVE).1991 First Full-Scale Development (FSD) engine test.1994 Delivery of prototype engines to customer for flight test.1995 On 4 June, first flight of Eurofighter DA3 (third development aircraft) with EJ200 engines (flown previously with RB199 Mk 104E engines).1998 Production contract signed for Eurofighter and EJ200 Tranche 1; start of testing of EJ200 with ITP vectoring nozzle.2000 Completion of flight testing for certification.2001 Netma technical certificate for production; first delivery of production engine, from Rolls-Royce Bristol; decision to name export aircraft Eurofighter Typhoon.2002 Start of flight testing, at BAE Warton, of Instrumented Production Aircraft IPA1.2003 Type Acceptance of Eurofighter, clearing aircraft for full service; first combat unit (RAF No 17 Sqn) formed.2004 Production contract signed for EJ200 Tranche 2.2006 October, start of production of Tranche 2 aircraft, 29th German single-seater and

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