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Explosion in Mumbai!!

Discussion in 'National Politics' started by RoYaN, Jul 13, 2011.

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  1. chachachoudhary

    chachachoudhary Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    PC Chidambaram: NO INTELLIGENCE FAILURE.

    I wonder when intelligence agencies fail to get a clue about blasts of such magnitude how can it not be a failure.

    What will exactly be the intel failure according to HM?

    What is NIA doing all these months? Of course apart from tapping phones of BJP leaders and Baba Ramdev.
     
  2. JanjaWeed

    JanjaWeed Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    intercepted after the blasts? they should be on it all the time.. before the blasts too! They should employ some one like amar singh! He is good in tapping the phones & recording the conversation!!lol..
     
  3. theeternallaw13

    theeternallaw13 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    i wasn't the one dragging the government.i just call mr. gandhi raul vinci and the other person started with all that congress sh8t

    i didn't said bjp would have stop these kinds of attack.wat i said was why it is difficult to stop these kinda attacks with all those resources and money???
    i again repeat mr. raul vinci compared us with usa and i can't recall a single successful terror sh8t after 9/11........
     
  4. tariqkhan18

    tariqkhan18 Major Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    India: No leads or suspects yet in Mumbai bombings

    MUMBAI, India (AP) — The triple bombing that killed 17 in the heart of India's financial capital sparked anger Thursday over the government's inability to prevent terror strikes despite overhauling security forces after the 2008 Mumbai siege.

    Indian officials say they have made extraordinary security reforms since 10 Pakistani terrorists rampaged across the city nearly three years ago, but following Wednesday's attack they warned they may never be able to guarantee a terror-free nation in a region plagued by extremism.

    "We live in the most troubled neighborhood in the world," said Indian Home Minister Palaniappan Chidambaram, pointing to nearby Pakistan and Afghanistan. "Every part of India is vulnerable."

    No terror group claimed responsibility — and investigators had no immediate suspects — in the bombings that shook three separate neighborhoods within minutes during Wednesday's busy evening rush.

    Chidambaram said the government had no intelligence warning. "Whoever has perpetrated this attack has worked in a very, very clandestine manner," he said.

    Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was expected to visit Mumbai later Thursday.

    "Why is Mumbai being attacked again?" said a frustrated Uttam Jain, who works in a gold shop in the Jhaveri Bazaar jewelry market that was hit by one of the blasts. Jain said he was "disgusted with politicians who promise security, but do nothing after the media cameras are gone."

    The bombings marked the worst terror attack in India since the 2008 siege, which killed 166 people over three days.

    After that attack, the government expanded police recruiting and training, bought high-tech equipment and updated its ancient police arsenal. It established a National Investigation Agency to probe terror attacks and set up commando bases across the country — including one in Mumbai — so rapid reaction forces could swiftly arrive at the scene of an attack.

    Chidambaram said state and national intelligence agencies were working far more closely than in the past and intelligence collection was far more extensive. The 31-month gap between attacks in Mumbai underscored the large number of foiled threats, he said.

    However, the law enforcement system in the country was so badly degraded that even these changes have done little to increase safety, said Ajai Sahni, executive director of the Institute for Conflict Management.

    He called the NIA "a tiny little organization," that is badly underresourced. "It is not the FBI."

    While the police have improved, arriving on the scene of the blasts within minutes Wednesday, their training, forensic and investigative capabilities remain horribly deficient, leaving them powerless to uncover terror plots before they are carried out, he said.

    "We thought we were safe," said Anita Ramaswami, a 33-year-old accountant. "But things still are the same and people in Mumbai continue to feel vulnerable."

    The sheer number of targets across a country of 1.2 billion, makes it nearly impossible to protect, officials said.

    "It's very difficult to stop every single terror attack," said Rahul Gandhi, a senior leader of the ruling Congress Party.

    At Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus, the Mumbai train station where 52 people were gunned down in the 2008 attacks, armed railway police — some of them behind sandbagged barricades — struggled Thursday to monitor the crush of passengers. An estimated 3.75 million commuters on more than 1,600 trains pass through India's busiest train station every day.

    "The crowds are so dense during peak hours it would be impossible to keep a check, even with the most stringent security," said station manager D. K. Gupta.

    At the scene of the bombings, investigators struggled to preserve evidence with plastic sheets as a driving rain washed away the bloodstains.

    India warns: End to terrorism can't be guaranteed - seattlepi.com
     
  5. Bad Wolf

    Bad Wolf Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    so how many ambulance reach at that place
    1 2 or 3
     
  6. Bang Galore

    Bang Galore Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    How exactly are the intelligence agencies supposed to know about what a small closed local group may be doing? If there are transnational connections, it would be feasible that the intelligence agencies might have some information coming in but a small cell with just a few individuals operating would be extremely difficult to stop. Capturing/neutralising them before they do another blast is the best that we can hope for.
     
  7. Rudrakx

    Rudrakx Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    Saying No intel. failure after bomb blast is like saying "I never failed in paper because I never attempted it " what a lame .
     
  8. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    My condolences to the families of victims.

    I would say its conspiracy of big players like USA, saffron terrorist and Indian government.

    -US wants India to buy more weapons and this dialogue is going to take place on 19th July.
    -Indian government is under pressure due to oil prices, corruption inflation and many issues so they did it to divert the people attentions.
    -Third factor is saffron terrorism because they want to defame Congress for their own benefit these bomb blasts will increase the support of terrorists like Modi.

    Regarding Pakistan and LeT we have no interest involved Pakistan will gain nothing from these bomb blasts,
    Pakistani army already removed huge numbers of troops from Indian border , Pakistan also proposed dialogue between Armed forces personal so Pakistan is moving in the right direction to restore peace.

    People who will gain from these blasts are sitting in your country and no doubt about USA.
     
  9. Nirvana

    Nirvana Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Keep Your Conspiracy Theories to Yourself
     
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  10. Mr.Ryu

    Mr.Ryu Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Bro First a small LOCAL GROUP is not doing havoc in INDIA they have a big network for finance, guidance, logistic, and other? even if what you are saying is true!! even then our INTEL must be sharp and efficient enough to sniff it out that's why INTEL agencies are there we don't need a agency who say attack on INDIA is imminent, We need a agency that says between xxx and xxx month attack may be possible in xxx area or around by xxx group.
     
  11. Rudrakx

    Rudrakx Lieutenant SENIOR MEMBER

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    There is another thread for Pakistan and it's conspiracy theories
     
  12. Spartacus+

    Spartacus+ Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Thats the point dude i am sure RAW have mole in every groups but this terror attacks shows sophistication, stealth, Indian agencies have no clue about it, its a new group maybe CIA sponsored or inside job.
     
  13. Mr.Ryu

    Mr.Ryu Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    Govt must use all possible way to identify those behind and bring them to justice and it's the only way forward and only way govt can save their face.
     
  14. Mr.Ryu

    Mr.Ryu Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    What sophistication IDE ?

    INDIAN agency have no clue ?? that's what chidambram told and that's what he told during 26/11 and previously but only after that they come up and say there was no specific INTELLIGENCE but some INTEL was shared but missed in coordination,

    Still i believe there was INTEL but the action taken on the INTEL provided is a ?

    Yesterday many news report and witness suggested in earlier week there was police scrutiny in those area so some thing was known but accurate action is what we missed again

    CIA sponsored is not possible ? They will not risk such thing for petty money in defense deal
     
  15. Nirvana

    Nirvana Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Mumbai blasts: Hints of Indian Mujahideen come with large gaps

    Mumbai: The three bombs that shook Mumbai on Wednesday were Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), prepared with a deadly mixture of ammonium nitrate, Tri-Nitro Toluene (TNT) and fuel oil. Seventeen people have been killed and 131 were injured in the trio of blasts.

    Ball bearings were used as shrapnel and smart cellphones as timers.

    "Ammonium nitrate was used. The fact that blasts took place within minutes of each other shows it was a coordinated terror attack," said Union Home Minister P Chidambaram.

    In two of the three bombs, over a kilo of explosives were used. Also, the group behind the strike is smaller than usual and did not communicate on phones or emails - a new strategy to avoid being tracked.

    The use of IEDs hints at a possible involvement of the banned organization, Indian Mujahideen (IM). The IEDs are their signature explosives. But what fuels the theory is that this blast almost coincides with the fifth anniversary of the 2006 Mumbai train blasts, now linked to the terror group.

    Sources now tell NDTV that remnants of the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI) and fringe elements of IM are also under the scanner.

    Investigators are in touch with the Uttar Pradesh and Karnataka Police - hubs of these groups.

    However, what takes away the IM theory is the fact that none of the bombs were expertly planted. Had they been, given the large crowds at the targets, the death toll would have been much higher.

    In Zaveri Bazaar, the bomb was wrapped in an umbrella and kept face-up on a scooter. The result: The impact was felt upwards and not on the ground.

    In Dadar, the bomb was placed on a transformer box next to a tree that bore the maximum brunt.

    And at Opera House, the bomb was kept at a 60 degree angle instead of a 30 degree angle that would have maximised impact.

    The government, meanwhile, says that they are not ruling out anything.

    "We are not in a position to say this group or that group and all aspects will be probed," Home Minister P Chidambaram said.

    Mumbai blasts: Hints of Indian Mujahideen come with large gaps
     
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