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Discussion in 'National Politics' started by RoYaN, Jul 13, 2011.

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  1. Bang Galore

    Bang Galore Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    If they are a big network, then you are right; it's an intelligence failure. However if it's a small cell comprising of a few individuals, then it is almost impossible to get intelligence unless the agencies get lucky. All these groups get caught sooner or later if they attempt a series of incidents because they end up leaving footprints. As for an agency that says what you want (We need a agency that says between xxx and xxx month attack may be possible in xxx area or around by xxx group), that almost never happens in real life unless we are talking about larger groups already under the radar. Some western countries even track purchases of hair colour let alone ammonium nitrate. Unfortunately in India, it is almost impossible to track these purchases. Even TNT is so loosely handled that getting hold of it from any company that uses it is simply far too easy. As I said, the best we can hope for is for these guys to be caught & dealt with.
     
  2. Mr.Ryu

    Mr.Ryu Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    ^^^
    However if it's a small cell comprising of a few individuals, then it is almost impossible to get intelligence unless the agencies get lucky.

    Can you make it in approx quantitative like 2-5, 5-12, 12-20, 20-50, more than 50 ?

    And please explain why you think this Mumbai attack is soooo juvenile that only a few individuals will be involved
     
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  3. abirbec04

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  4. Nirvana

    Nirvana Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Investigation will be a test of Singh's government

    Investigation will be a test of Singh's government | The Australian

    IF it turns out there was a Pakistani connection to the terrorist bombings in Mumbai, the whole of South Asia will once more be plunged into crisis.

    At this stage, the best informed analysts within the Indian government and around it are being very careful not to rush to the obvious conclusion of Pakistani involvement, though it remains highly plausible.

    The bombings, which killed 21 people and injured more than 100 on Wednesday night, were not as sophisticated as the 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai.

    They involved timing devices rather than suicide bombers, the bombs themselves were less sophisticated and the death toll lower. The early suspicion has focused on the homegrown Indian Mujaheddin group, which is active in Mumbai and has deep connections in the city's underworld.

    However, the IM has close connections to the Pakistani-based group Lashkar-e-Toiba. Some IM leaders are known to live in the Pakistani city of Karachi.

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    Although LET is theoretically banned in Pakistan, it exists semi-openly under a number of different guises. It was proven to be behind the 2008 Mumbai attacks, which were also shown to have an element of Pakistani military involvement.

    Every day, the level of Pakistani involvement in South Asian and international terror becomes clearer. Pakistan created LET to take terrorism to India in Kashmir. It is fair to say LET passed beyond official Pakistani control but that elements of the Islamabad's military, especially the Inter Services Intelligence directorate, continue to co-operate with elements of LET.

    The recent signs regarding Pakistan are desperately worrying and show its duplicity and continued involvement in terrorism.

    The US is withholding hundreds of millions of dollars of aid from Pakistan because of its complicity with groups of Taliban-aligned terrorists.

    The US Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, recently made the sobering statement that Pakistan's ISI was involved in the torture and assassination of independent journalist Syed Saleem Shahzad, whose chief claim to fame was his exposure of terrorist infiltration of, and co-operation with, the Pakistani military.

    And the killing of al-Qa'ida leader Osama bin Laden in the Pakistani military garrison town of Abbottabad demonstrated he had long enjoyed support from influential figures in Pakistan.

    Why would the Pakistanis want to support a terrorist act in Mumbai now, just a week before scheduled diplomatic talks between Pakistan and India?

    The timing of those talks may be the clue. A faction inside Pakistan's military may want to derail those talks. However, deeper dynamics are probably at work.

    The 2008 terror outrage in Mumbai occurred when the Pakistani army was in extremely bad odour in Pakistan. By precipitating a crisis with India, it allowed the Pakistani army to paint itself in the familiar colours of the defender of national sovereignty against the giant Indian neighbour.

    Again today, the Pakistani army is in extremely bad odour in Pakistan. The US operation against Osama bin Laden was a dreadful embarrassment. The problem of extremism within Pakistan grows and grows. The economy is in the toilet. The ineffectual civilian Pakistani government is blamed less by the public. No one thinks it has any authority or consequence. The Pakistani public understands that real power lies with the army.

    If there is tension with India, or India responds in a muscular fashion, this would strengthen the hand of the Pakistani military internally. Of course, it's important to remember that no Pakistani connection has been proved.

    The Indian government of Manmohan Singh is unlikely to overreact. India is a booming emerging superpower. The last thing it wants is to be shackled to the failing state of Pakistan. Indeed, Islamabad's jealousy at Indian success is a significant dynamic in all these regional equations.

    But there will nonetheless be real pressure on Singh's government arising out of these terror bombings. First, Indians are angry, and they have much to be angry with Pakistan about. Many will want some action.

    But they are also angry with their own government. The response to this bombing was better than the response to the 2008 attacks. Units from the National Security Group were sent from Delhi and Hyderabad. Investigators were on the scene swiftly.

    Nonetheless, much that was supposed to happen after 2008 has not happened. Mumbai is India's most important commercial city, yet it remains a byword for organised crime. Political extremists have forged connections with this underworld.

    The Indian state needs to make a much stronger effort to clean up Mumbai.

    Further, many of the reforms and institutional changes and strengthenings that were promised after 2008 in the Indian counter-terrorism field have not come to pass. There has been bureaucratic gridlock, state and central tensions, turf wars and as a result glacial movement.

    Although Singh's personal standing remains justifiably high, his government has not had much good news politically since its re-election in 2009. There have been serious corruption scandals and a general policy paralysis, which fed into a growing domestic unpopularity for the government.

    This makes it a particularly dangerous time for this terrorist outrage to occur, for a government under stress and without a buffer of popularity is more likely to make a serious mistake.

    The investigation over the next few weeks will be crucial.
     
  5. JanjaWeed

    JanjaWeed Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    lol.. look what we have!! Burka Dutt & her coffee club diagnosing the nations mood at posh girgaun chowpathy!! & a foreword from her saying not to politicise this incident! why? is it 'cause this is jihadist attack.. not safforn??
     
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    Indian police identify 3 Mumbai blasts suspects through camera footage: report

    NEW DELHI, July 15 (Xinhua) -- Indian police have identified three suspects in Wednesday's bombing attacks in Mumbai through a closed circuit TV footage in the Opera House area of the city, which was hit by one of three bombs, reported the local daily The Hindustan Times on Friday.

    The footage showed three persons moving around in the area for an hour, said the report.

    The three walked about separately and gave no indication of knowing each other, the report quoted an unidentified investigator as saying.

    "They looked out of place," the officer said, adding that they were seen using mobile phones.

    The report also said security agencies have been aware of the presence of some Indian Mudjahideen (IM) operatives in Mumbai for the last one month.

    The IM is a home-grown militant group which held responsible for a number of other terrorist attacks in India over the past several years.

    Security agencies were also trying to identify the motive for Wednesday's blasts, which could have been in retaliation for the arrest of 10 IM operatives from the central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh in June.

    Indian police identify 3 Mumbai blasts suspects through camera footage: report

    This report came out in China. Haven't seen any such report from Indian agencies. They are also saying Indian Mujahideen. Is this a new ploy of not telling the public who killed them? I have become so cynical over the years that I wouldn't be surprised if after a few months GOI comes out and fabricates another Saffron terror story for political mileage. God save my Nation.
     
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  7. Barney Stinson

    Barney Stinson 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I had seen the debate with Barkha Dutt..Was very very disappointed..She was telling BJP not to politicise the attack and wat she was doing was trying to defend the Congress..Must say as a Citizen of this country I am deeply hurt by the insenstivity of our netas and and self centred Journos like Barkha Dutt (She did the same during 26/11)
     
  8. RoYaN

    RoYaN Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Hello brain_dead,how art thou??and thy brain??
     
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  9. Nirvana

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    Mumbai blasts: Uneasy calm cages Kabutarkhana locals

    A day after a relatively low-intensity blast ripped apart the Hanuman Mandir bus stop at Kabutarkhana in Dadar, it was business as usual on Thursday in the area, which is a mixture of residential buildings and small shops. Although the spot where the blast occurred was still barricaded, people were seen going about their work right from the wee hours.

    At around 9am, many shopkeepers were seen gathering in the area and there were discussions about when to open shutters.

    “We have not been given any deadline to open our shops. However, we want to make sure that before we open, the police has given us a go-ahead,” said one of the shopkeepers. Among residents, the only topic of discussion was the blast and how they survived it.

    “The last bus for the D’Silva High School kids leaves every evening at around 6.30-6.45pm. The blast occurred barely a few minutes after the bus left. Imagine the situation if any of the school kids would have been around the area during that shocking hour,” said a housewife.

    The police presence in the area was also quite surprisingly low and the personnel present were not obstructing pedestrians. While Hanuman Mandir and all the small businesses around Kabutarkhana were functioning normally, the school and junior college was kept closed.

    “Dadar has seen this in the past. One of the biggest bomb blast was near Sena Bhavan petrol pump in March 1993. I was there, helping the injured. That was a real shocker. Even yesterday, there was quite a frenzy when the blast took place. It is our routine to go for morning and evening walks from here up to Shivaji Park. However, yesterday, we helped some of the injured to the hospitals,” said Sharad Pohore (name changed on request), who accompanied by a group of senior citizens.

    Among the major sufferers of the blast were the footpath vendors along the road which goes right up to Agar Bazaar area and ends near Portuguese church. When asked, one of the police officials on duty said that they were being removed as a precautionary measure.

    “Even near the bus stop, there were vegetable vendors and cobblers. Some of them used to keep their belongings above the shelter of the bus stop, which was the epicentre of the blast. How can we allow them to work?” said an official.

    http://www.dnaindia.com/mumbai/report_mumbai-blasts-uneasy-calm-cages-kabutarkhana-locals_1565890

    Mostly I Travel Through Dadar station [west] and this is Place Kabootarkhaana Near Maruti Mandir - I Always go Through.

    But Same day i was at Home.
     
  10. Nirvana

    Nirvana Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Mumbai blasts: 5 most stupid things our politicians said

    1."Not an intelligence failure' - P Chidambaram

    2."We will stop 99 per cent of the attacks. But one per cent of attacks might get through and that is what I am saying." - Rahul Gandhi

    3."Maharashtra crime rate has increased in the last 10 years. Examine from where the people perpetrating the crimes come from. We have blamed police and intelligence enough in all these years, now it is time to check on the migrants." - Raj Thackeray

    4."India is better than Pakistan where blasts take place every day, every week.”
    - Digvijay Singh


    5."Terrorists had the advantage of surprise" - Manmohan Singh

    Mumbai blasts: 5 most stupid things our politicians said - DNA
     
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    India exercising admirable restraint after Mumbai attacks: NYT

    WASHINGTON: While commending Prime Minister Manmohan Singh for exercising considerable restraint after the Mumbai terror attacks, a leading US daily has said that learning from past mistakes India should work towards perfecting its intelligence and counter-terror efforts.

    "Indians are angry and asking why their government did not ensure their safety. Indian officials say they have made significant security reforms but it may never be possible to stop all terrorist attacks. That is true, but New Delhi still must learn from this experience and keep trying to perfect its intelligence and counterterrorism efforts," the New York Times said in a lead editorial.

    "After the 2008 attacks, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh warned that his country would retaliate if hit again. We applaud his continued restraint and urge both sides to think hard about the horrifying cost of a war," the daily said.

    Referring to the July 13 bomb blasts in Mumbai, the paper said: "Indian citizens deserve answers to their many legitimate questions. So far, Indian officials seem to be reacting in a measured and responsible way."

    "Pakistani leaders condemned the bombings. But words are cheap. They need to work with their Indian counterparts to find whoever is responsible. If Pakistanis were behind this latest horror, Islamabad must ensure that they are brought to justice this time," the daily said.

    Noting that Pakistani officials previously acknowledged that the 2008 attacks were partly planned on their soil, it said instead of cooperating with India's investigation, they insisted on handling the case themselves.

    "Pakistan has four suspects in custody, but the trial is moving too slowly to be considered credible. Pakistani courts are notorious for acquitting most terrorism suspects," it said.

    With US President Barack Obama offering American investigative help to India, The NYT said: "He and his advisers also need to be having blunt conversations with Pakistan about the cost of any more foot-dragging."

    India exercising admirable restraint after Mumbai attacks: NYT - The Times of India

    Why is it that every time we are hearing all of this from the Yanks. Why is America targeting Pak if there is no intel at all. The chinese news agency also hinted Indian Mujahideen and their LET handlers. What is the GOI not telling us that the Chinese and the Yanks know? This is a fundamental question which needs to be asked very seriously.
     
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    Mumbai blasts: NIA team raids house of two IM suspects in Ranchi

    RANCHI: A three member team of National Investigating Agency (NIA) on Thursday midnight raided residences of two Indian Mujahideen suspects in connection with Mumbai terror blasts.

    The three member team was led by VVS Murthy raided the residences of one Danish Riyaz alias Saafi alias Asfaque Iqbal and his close associate, Manzar Imamuddin both residents of Joda Talab area under Bariatu police station.

    The team grilled the family members of Riyaz and Imamuddin for nearly two hours till 4 am in the morning. Sharique Iqbal a relative of Riyaz said that the officers wanted to know about the whereabouts of Imamuddin considered as an Indian Mujahideen operative.

    Mumbai blasts: NIA team raids house of two IM suspects in Ranchi - The Times of India
     
  13. Nirvana

    Nirvana Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    ^^ Good Job :biggthumpup:

    To Those Behind this Attack :********:

    Give Them The Same Treatment If They are Found to have Connections with Those Groups
     
  14. JanjaWeed

    JanjaWeed Captain SENIOR MEMBER

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    reprint this in golden words & preserve it. Let the future generation witness what kind of morons ruled them in the past!!
     
  15. Nirvana

    Nirvana Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    once again common Mumbaikar will face d problems
    once Again d common mans are died in bomb blast
    once again government will form a comity to do enquiry
    once again media will portray the spirit of mumbaikar
    once again government will cover their failure and will glorify spirit of mumbaikar
    once again we will be used to it
    but its really disgusting - Congress Should Better Take action Now.

    Even If it takes to Kill all Arrested SIMI And IM operatives
     
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