F-35 Lightning II : News & Discussions

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    F16-bk60 is on duty for years.
     
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    They are going to make a new block for India with F-35 tech. That's not started yet. Block 60's electronics is simply a Block 50+ with AESA. A more modernized version is the F-16V.

    If IAF picks a single engine aircraft, it will at least have to be on par with the Rafale. The Block 60 is not at that level, no advanced EW, no sensor fusion etc. Saab has offered Gripen-E with pretty much all the stuff that will come with Rafale.

    Basically, there is no F-16B70 or F-16IN. There's no F-15 Silent Eagle either. If the USAF has to pick these two jets, they will ask for 'heavy' modernization, on par with F-35. So advanced EW from Britain, sensor fusion, next gen cockpit, modernized engine etc.

    Regardless of what Congress says, the USAF will ask for specs that will easily cross Trump's 4- year term.
    The fact is neither the Block 60 nor the F-15SA/SG etc are according to USAF specs, they were all developed to foreign air force specs.

    Think about it. Trump won't just come to office and cancel the program, the Pentagon will delay the cancellation with debates in the Congress, trying to get him to see the other way etc, that alone could take 1 to 1.5 years. Once it's cancelled, USAF will be asked to setup new requirements for the older jets, that will easily take 1 year. Then the companies will have to present prototypes, which will easily take 2 years or more. That alone has exceeded Trump's term. All Trump has accomplished in the meanwhile is kill hundreds of thousands of jobs all over the world.

    The F-35 has become un-killable. Any chance to kill it was lost many years ago. Rather Trump will shift his focus on next gen aircraft for the air force.

    If he really wants to create new jobs quickly, his main focus will be the navy and army, not the air force. The navy has a lot of room for expansion in production and job creation.

    You see, if Trump was a good leader, he would have cancelled the F-35 in his first day even though he knows it's bad for his ratings. But Trump isn't a good leader, he will do what benefits him.
     
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    Yes but a normal guy is able to make big mistake if he manages a country.
     
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    No, when I meant a normal guy, I meant he is no different from the normal politicians in India.

    He says something else and does something else, so I wouldn't be worried about what he says. As it is with Indian politicians, what he does is what matters.
     
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    F-35 Development Could See 7-Month Slip, $530M Increase
    Dec 19, 2016Lara Seligman | Aerospace Daily & Defense Report
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    Just a week after president-elect Donald Trump slammed Lockheed Martin’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) as “out of control,” the Pentagon revealed that it is preparing for a delay of up to seven months in the new fighter’s development program and projecting cost growth of $530
     
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    *popcorn*

    Trump is an awful asshole, but he sure is entertaining!
     
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    Welcome back Ezco !!!
    A long time since your last post it seems....
     
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    It is always lively when it comes to Trump.
     
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    Trump calls Boeing to price Super Hornet against F-35

    President-elect Donald Trump has hit the F-35 programme once again, this time courting Lockheed Martin competitor Boeing for the Joint Strike Fighter mission.

    Trump delivered the news in a 21 December tweet: “Based on the tremendous cost and cost overruns of the Lockheed Martin F-35, I have asked Boeing to price-out a comparable F-18 Super Hornet!"

    Trump’s tweet follows meetings with several US generals, including F-35 programme executive officer Lt Gen Chris Bogdan. The president elect’s reaction indicates Bogdan’s attempt to present a more nuanced picture of the F-35 programme and costs failed to sway Trump.


    While noting the programme’s costs and schedule have improved since its rebaseline in 2011, Bogdan did not present the most optimistic picture of the F-35 programme during a roundtable with reporters on 21 December. The programme may need up to $532 million more to finish development, but Bogdan says the real number is closer to $265 million. The Department of Defense still owes the Joint Programme Office $100 million which it borrowed to pay other expenses and the F-35 programme requires $165 milllion to accommodate new requirements such as redesigning the autonomic logistics information system (ALIS) to make the system deployable.

    "If you put $500 million of overrun, please explain that half of that was supposed to be money that I had already in the bank, the $265 million," Bogdan said in a plea to reporters and perhaps the president-elect.

    It was not immediately clear how an F/A-18E/F proposal could be used as a bargaining chip in negotiations between Trump and Lockheed.

    The short take-off and vertical landing F-35B could not be replaced by the F/A-18E/F, which needs a catapult to take-off from a carrier and an arresting system to land. The F/A-18E/F is a natural, albeit non-very low observable (VLO) stealth, replacement for the F-35C, but that variant represents a fraction of the overall programme of record. To achieve significant savings, Trump may have to propose the F/A-18E/F as an alternative for the F-35A, an aircraft operated by the US Air Force, which has never shown interest in the navy's fighter.

    Trump’s provocative tweets have reverberated across the Defense Department and industry since his election in November. During a roundtable with reporters on 21 December, Bogdan made the only sure forecast amid an already tempestuous presidency.

    “I cannot predict what the new administration will do and I’ll just leave it at that,” Bogdan says.

    Boeing has previously been attacked by another one of Trump's tweets about "out of control costs" in the Air Force One replacement programme, but the company may now sense an opportunity to take business away from a key rival.

    Within an hour of Trump's F-35 tweet on 22 December, Boeing's official corporate Twitter account responded: "Ready to work with @realDonaldTrump's administration to affordably meet US military requirements."

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...ing-to-price-super-hornet-against-f-3-432706/ :coffee:
     
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    Expect its Trump bringing to pressure to bear on Lockheed.
     
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    The U.S. Navy’s Secret Counter-Stealth Weapon Could Be Hiding in Plain Sight
    https://news.usni.org/2014/06/09/u-s-navys-secret-counter-stealth-weapon-hiding-plain-sight
     
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    The most expensive F-35 variant has hit another major snag that could take years to fix

    The Pentagon has established a "red team" to address considerable shortcomings with the F-35C, the carrier-based naval variant of the most expensive weapons project in history.

    The F-35, subject to cost overruns and delays throughout its production, reached an initial state of military readiness with its Air Force and Marine variants in 2016, but the Navy's variant lags behind in part due to an issue with its nose gear during catapult-assisted takeoffs from aircraft carriers, Inside Defense uncovered on Wednesday.

    Essentially the problem, detailed in a Navy report with data dating back to 2014, deals with rough takeoffs that hurt and disorient pilots at the critical moment when they're taking off from a carrier.

    The Pentagon's red team found the problem was due to several factors central to the plane's design, and recommended several fixes that will take several months to several years to fully fix. The report states that long term actions to address the problem will not take place until 2019, at which point they'll take 12-36 months to implement.

    Redesigns to the plane, as well as to carriers, may be necessary to fully address the problem.

    A Pentagon deficiency report in 2015 stated that extreme movements in the cockpit during launch risked pilot health.

    One hundred and five pilots completing catapult launches rated their level of pain or discomfort on a scale of one to five. Of the 105, 74 pilots reported "moderate" pain or a 3, 18 pilots reported "severe" pain or a 4, and one pilot reported "severe pain that persists" after launching from an aircraft carrier.

    "The oscillations shake the pilot's head sufficiently to impair their ability to consistently read flight critical data, which poses a safety of flight risk," reads the report cited by Inside Defense.

    This pain, more than a mere inconvenience, threatens the ability of pilots to read flight-critical data as they perform the complicated task of launching from a moving platform at sea. Exacerbating the problem, some pilots locked down their harnesses to avoid jostling around during the launch, but this makes it more difficult for the pilot to eject, should they need to.

    At a roundtable discussion in December, F-35 Program Executive Officer Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan assured reporters that F-35C takeoff problems only occur when the planes takeoff with low weight load outs, saying " you don't see this problem at all" when the plane is more laden with ordnance or fuel.

    A representative from Lockheed Martin told Business Insider that all the catapult launches they had monitored were successful.

    The F-35C was the most expensive variant of the Joint Strike Fighter program for the most recent Low Rate Initial Production contract. The Navy currently operates aging F-18s, nine of which have crashed or majorly malfunctioned in the last six months of 2016. The Aviationist's David Cenciotti attributes this to the age of the planes.

    Navy carrier wings are awaiting the overdue F-35C. US Navy

    Meanwhile, the Navy awaits the F-35C's groundbreaking capability as other world powers invest heavily in their naval and anti-ship capabilities. President-elect Trump has expressed interest in building dozens of new ships, taking the US Navy's total from 272 to 350 operational ships, as well as confronting China in the heavily militarized South China Sea.

    F-35 pilots have told Business Insider that the F-35s stealth characteristics make itabsolutely vital to operating in heavily contested airspace like the South China Sea, the Baltics, and lately Syria.

    Lockheed Martin told Business Insider that it will look into the Inside Defense report. This post will be updated with the company's future comment.

    http://www.businessinsider.fr/us/expensive-f35-snag-years-to-fix-2017-1/
     
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