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F-35 Lightning II : News & Discussions

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Picard, Sep 4, 2012.

  1. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    The most expensive F-35 variant has hit another major snag that could take years to fix

    The Pentagon has established a "red team" to address considerable shortcomings with the F-35C, the carrier-based naval variant of the most expensive weapons project in history.

    The F-35, subject to cost overruns and delays throughout its production, reached an initial state of military readiness with its Air Force and Marine variants in 2016, but the Navy's variant lags behind in part due to an issue with its nose gear during catapult-assisted takeoffs from aircraft carriers, Inside Defense uncovered on Wednesday.

    Essentially the problem, detailed in a Navy report with data dating back to 2014, deals with rough takeoffs that hurt and disorient pilots at the critical moment when they're taking off from a carrier.

    The Pentagon's red team found the problem was due to several factors central to the plane's design, and recommended several fixes that will take several months to several years to fully fix. The report states that long term actions to address the problem will not take place until 2019, at which point they'll take 12-36 months to implement.

    Redesigns to the plane, as well as to carriers, may be necessary to fully address the problem.

    A Pentagon deficiency report in 2015 stated that extreme movements in the cockpit during launch risked pilot health.

    One hundred and five pilots completing catapult launches rated their level of pain or discomfort on a scale of one to five. Of the 105, 74 pilots reported "moderate" pain or a 3, 18 pilots reported "severe" pain or a 4, and one pilot reported "severe pain that persists" after launching from an aircraft carrier.

    "The oscillations shake the pilot's head sufficiently to impair their ability to consistently read flight critical data, which poses a safety of flight risk," reads the report cited by Inside Defense.

    This pain, more than a mere inconvenience, threatens the ability of pilots to read flight-critical data as they perform the complicated task of launching from a moving platform at sea. Exacerbating the problem, some pilots locked down their harnesses to avoid jostling around during the launch, but this makes it more difficult for the pilot to eject, should they need to.

    At a roundtable discussion in December, F-35 Program Executive Officer Lt. Gen. Christopher Bogdan assured reporters that F-35C takeoff problems only occur when the planes takeoff with low weight load outs, saying " you don't see this problem at all" when the plane is more laden with ordnance or fuel.

    A representative from Lockheed Martin told Business Insider that all the catapult launches they had monitored were successful.

    The F-35C was the most expensive variant of the Joint Strike Fighter program for the most recent Low Rate Initial Production contract. The Navy currently operates aging F-18s, nine of which have crashed or majorly malfunctioned in the last six months of 2016. The Aviationist's David Cenciotti attributes this to the age of the planes.

    Navy carrier wings are awaiting the overdue F-35C. US Navy

    Meanwhile, the Navy awaits the F-35C's groundbreaking capability as other world powers invest heavily in their naval and anti-ship capabilities. President-elect Trump has expressed interest in building dozens of new ships, taking the US Navy's total from 272 to 350 operational ships, as well as confronting China in the heavily militarized South China Sea.

    F-35 pilots have told Business Insider that the F-35s stealth characteristics make itabsolutely vital to operating in heavily contested airspace like the South China Sea, the Baltics, and lately Syria.

    Lockheed Martin told Business Insider that it will look into the Inside Defense report. This post will be updated with the company's future comment.

    http://www.businessinsider.fr/us/expensive-f35-snag-years-to-fix-2017-1/
     
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    F-35 May Never Be Ready for Combat
    Testing Report Contradicts Air Force Leadership’s Rosy Pronouncements

    By: Dan Grazier & Mandy Smithberger | September 9, 2016

    The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program is the most expensive procurement program in Pentagon history. It’s been plagued by schedule delays, gross cost overruns, and a slew of underwhelming performance reviews. Last month the Air Force declared its variant “ready for combat,” and most press reports lauded this as a signal that the program had turned a corner. But a memo issued from the Pentagon’s top testing official, based largely upon the Air Force’s own test data, showed that the Air Force’s declaration was wildly premature.

    Dr. Michael Gilmore’s latest memorandum is damning. The F-35 program has derailed to the point where it “is actually not on a path toward success, but instead on a path toward failing to deliver the full Block 3F capabilities for which the Department is paying almost $400 billion.” The 16-page memo, first reported by Tony Capaccio at Bloomberg and then by others, details just how troubled this program is: years behind schedule and failing to deliver even the most basic capabilities taxpayers, and the men and women who will entrust their lives to it, have been told to expect.

    The Pentagon’s top testing office warns that the F-35 is in no way ready for combat since it is “not effective and not suitable across the required mission areas and against currently fielded threats.” (Emphasis added) As it stands now, the F-35 would need to run away from combat and have other planes come to its rescue, since it “will need support to locate and avoid modern threats, acquire targets, and engage formations of enemy fighter aircraft due to outstanding performance deficiencies and limited weapons carriage available (i.e., two bombs and two air-to-air missiles).” In several instances, the memo rated the F-35A less capable than the aircraft we already have.


    http://www.pogo.org/straus/issues/weapons/2016/f-35-may-never-be-ready-for-combat.html
     
  4. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    F-35 use french Tires "MICHELIN"


     
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    F-35 delayed — again — despite CEO's promise to Trump
    By JACQUELINE KLIMAS (@JACQKLIMAS) • 1/10/17 4:45 PM

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    The F-35 will be delayed an additional seven months at a cost of at least $500 million despite a recent promise from Lockheed Martin's CEO to drive down costs, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee said Tuesday.

    Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in a statement, said the CEO's personal promise to President-elect Trump was "surprising" given a letter he received from the Pentagon last month detailing the latest delay. "This is yet another troubling sign for a program that has already nearly doubled in cost, taken nearly two decades to field, and has long been the poster child for acquisition malpractice," McCain said.

    After trashing the program's rising costs on Twitter, Trump met with Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn Hewson in late December, when she offered her "personal commitment" to "aggressively" drive down the cost of the most expensive acquisition project ever undertaken by the Pentagon.

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    Marillyn Hewson, CEO Lockheed Martin

    But if she intends to do that, McCain said she had better be ready to explain how. "If Lockheed Martin believes it is possible to aggressively drive down the cost of the F-35, it is time for the company to reveal its plans to do so to the Congress and to American taxpayers," he said. The seven-month delay means the system development and demonstration phase of the program won't be completed until May 2018, according to a letter Frank Kendall, the acquisition, technology and logistics undersecretary, sent to McCain.

    McCain said the delay just shows the need to further reform the acquisition process, something he intends to focus on as chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/f-35-delayed-again-despite-ceos-promise-to-trump/article/2611432
     
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    An interesting comment I found:

     
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    I don't find it out of the norm, though the tone doesn't reflect reality either. The birds that international partners are training on, except Israel which opted for electronic trainers, are developmental types. That's been known for a while.

    Norway's four F-35s are strictly for training pilots at Luke AFB. They will be reconfigured and delivered to the RNoAF along with additional orders once their training period has finished.

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    It might not be discussed as often, but it's already been known that the birds at Luke, where international training is taking place, are developmental types, including American birds.

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    In other news American F-35s are being deployed to Japan - http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...as-chinese-bombers-and-carrier-make-big-moves
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Bro,
    I'm afraid norway pilots will only be able to train for yearSSSS.

    Just an advice : keep your F16 on line !
     
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    Trump Sort Of Bangs F-35 Again, But ‘Big Things’ Promised By Colin Clark and Sydney J. Freedberg Jr. on January 11, 2017 at 4:54 PM


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    WASHINGTON: President-elect Donald Trump said more than 144 characters about the F-35 program today at his first press conference since being elected president, and Lockheed Martin appeared to have had little reason to be happy. But there are other interpretations that can be offered of his comments. This is what Trump said:

    “I’m very much involved with the generals and admirals on the airplane, the F-35, you’ve been reading about it. And it’s way, way behind schedule and many, many billions of dollars over budget. I don’t like that. And the admirals have been fantastic, the generals have been fantastic. I’ve really gotten to know them well,” Trump said in his usual disjointed fashion. “And we’re going to do some big things on the F-35 program, and perhaps the F-18 program. And we’re going to get those costs way down and we’re going to get the plane to be even better. And we’re going to have some competition and it’s going to be a beautiful thing.”

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    F-35Bs and C

    So, first you get the F-35 is way behind schedule — true — and “many, many billions of dollars over budget” — true. Then you get this comment about doing “big things” on the F-35. And he throws in mention of the F-18. Now any reasonable and rational person who doesn’t work for Boeing knows that the F-35 is a much superior aircraft for the next 30 years — just ask the pilots who have flown both. This seems to fit with Trump’s penchant for making lots of often confusing and sensational noise while negotiating a deal, something he glories in detailing in his best-seller, the ghost-written Art of the Deal:

    “I aim very high, and then I just keep pushing and pushing to get what I’m after. Sometimes I settle for less than I sought, but in most cases I still end up with what I want,”Trump says in the book.

    So we go from the noise to the details and the context. When Trump — in a tweet — critiqued the F-35, it was a blunt and, characteristically, bombastic comment:



    But now the message is morphing. He now says he’ll do “big things” on the program and — “perhaps” — with the F-18. That seems to indicate that he now knows the F-18, while an excellent aircraft, is not “comparable” to the F-35. It also seems to indicate that he’s learning more details about the F-35. His mention of competition is particularly interesting. This might be interpreted to mean Trump wants another company to build F-35s, perhaps under license to Lockheed. My interpretation is that Trump is trying to keep the pressure on Lockheed to bring costs down, something the company’s CEO, Marillyn Hewson, has already pledged to do.

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    A Navy F-35C and the plane it will replace, the F/A-18E Super Hornet, sit together on a runway.

    In a statement today, Lockheed reiterated its pledge. “We understand President-Elect Trump’s concerns about the F-35 program and we’ve given him our full commitment to drive down cost aggressively. We are focused on delivering the best capability possible at the best value for the American taxpayer. The price of an F-35A has come down 60 percent from the first lot contract to the recent ninth contract, and we fully expect the next contract will show another significant price decrease,” the spokesman said. He added mention of two well-known efforts, the Blueprint for Affordability and the Sustainment Cost Reduction Initiative, which Lockheed says will reduce the cost of the program by $5 billion through 2022.

    The latest comments come after the release yesterday by SASC Chairman Sen. John McCain of a letter from the head of Pentagon acquisition, Frank Kendall, confirming that the F-35 program will incur $500 million in new costs because of an additional seven-month delay. McCain sent a letter to Hewson saying he “was having difficulty reconciling this apparent disconnect with regard to lowering costs.” For McCain, that’s pretty tame language.

    Meanwhile, at a Defense Writers Group breakfast this morning, Navy Secretary Ray Mabus echoed Trump’s basic comments about the aircraft, saying, “it is really late, it’s way over budget, and there’s nobody held accountable for that.”

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    F-35B

    He noted that the “the Marines have no backup” for the F-35B. However, he ignored the fact that the Marines have show absolutely no interest in any other aircraft because they value the plane’s ability to land and take off from a wide array of locations, as well as its electronic warfare, stealth and Close Air Support capabilities. As Mabus noted this morning, the first F-35B squadron is headed to Iwakuni, Japan. The Navy leadership has long demonstrated lukewarm support for the F-35C — the carrier-based version — because of doubts about the utility of stealth and the the costs and delays which have beset the program. However, even Mabus admitted this morning that “the F-35 brings you some capabilities that the F-18 does not… For that reason we need to have the F-35 coming in behind the [Super Hornet].”

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    Rep. Kay Granger, R-TX

    One of the really interesting new dynamics in the F-35 program is one that has Lockheed Martin executives smiling. The new chairman of the powerful House Appropriations defense subcommittee is Rep. Kay Granger, who happens to represent the Fort Worth district in which Lockheed builds the F-35. As her bio notes, “Kay fully supports the talented people and businesses that make the weapons systems that keep our country safe. Local programs that fuel the Texas and U.S. economies include Lockheed Martin Aeronautics’ manufacturing line that builds the F-35 “Lightning” Joint Strike Fighter, F-16 “Fighting Falcon” and F-22 ‘Raptor’; and, Bell Helicopter Textron’s ongoing development and procurement of the V-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft.”

    Once he gets the briefings on the F-35’s capabilities and it’s much improved program management over the last five years, I predict Trump will continue pushing Lockheed for cost savings — just as program head Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan and Kendall have done. Also, Trump will face at least one staunch and powerful F-35 supporter in Congress should he try and trim the program. At least.
     
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    Broo_O?

    That's nice, but the first four are being delivered to combat units next year:mrgreen:. Going from developmental to combat able takes just a few changes to a few lines of coding. It's not a big alternation.

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    Maybe instead of just sh*tposting all the bad news on the F-35 you can try for a balanced viewpoint? It'll prevent simple errors like this.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It's not a good new, it's just an expectation.
     
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    http://www.sldinfo.com/shaping-a-21st-century-defense-strategy-the-norwegian-way-ahead/

    ^^
    An interesting article regarding how the F-35 fits into the larger Norwegian Armed Forces, working in concert with other assets such as the AEGIS equipped Nansen class frigates and how the type compliments our acquisition of the P-8 MPA.

    One of the conditions to Norwegian participation in the F-35 program was the integration of our JSM into the internal weapons bay, joining Turkey's SOM-J - still in development - as the two cruise missiles that will fit internally.

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    The F-35 has all the software needed to launched the weapon.

    It's good new for us bud and that's all I care about.

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    Our F-35s will land on Norwegian soil combat ready and combat capable, not just as trainers as has been insinuated.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    You would have preferred that I call you idiot ? (it's a joke).
     
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    I'd have preferred you referred to me using my actual gender.

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