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F-35 Lightning II : News & Discussions

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Picard, Sep 4, 2012.

  1. BMD

    BMD Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Yeah, you just count on the air defence hardware being sufficiently old and the operators being sufficiently dumb.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    For what? That Rafale's development is progressing. You need evidence when the opposite is claimed.

    It is what it is. Rafale walked into a minefield and came out without a scratch. All other NATO jets required SEAD/DEAD. That's proof enough.

    2025.

    Even the Russians have not claimed that.
    http://thediplomat.com/2015/09/russias-first-5th-generation-fighter-jet-to-enter-service-in-2017/
    with 55 to enter service by 2020.
     
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    It was supposed to have better ECCM though, that affects engagement too.

    GaN on Spectra antennae in 2018 my ass. According to this you don't get a radar with electronic attack until 2023 and you don't yet have the ability to accurately pinpoint a threat until then either. No mention of GaN for F3R on the Dassault site either. That would be something they'd want to shout about right? No mention of it for F3R in flight global either.

    [​IMG]

    http://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/defense/rafale/rafale-deployment-history/

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/france-approves-latest-rafale-upgrade-plan-394734/

    Show me any French GaN radars that are actually operational like Northrop Grumman's or Raytheon's.

    They pulled the info from other sources, mostly blogs. And funny how the official site of Dassault does not confirm GaN for F3R.

    So which is it? One guy claims echo, one claims different route? It would even know the F-35 was there at all. And no Spectra doesn't provide a route around the target like ASQ-239 does.

    RAND not official?

    http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR600/RR676/RAND_RR676.pdf

    Sounds like an official contract to me. So did they just deliberately miss France's SEAD exploits?
     
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    Evidence of when GaN will be integrated.

    A minefield? It was an outdated array of relics left over from the '60s and '70s.

    See above, even the Rafale MLU (not a new aircraft) won't be qualified until after 2030.

    Yeah but you did.
     
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    Page 5.

    Rafale with GaN Spectra. Black antennas.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Still the rest of NATO needed SEAD/DEAD, Rafale didn't.

    Rafale MLU is different from Rafale F4.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    You have to learn that on Rafale Electronic attack is done by SPECTRA, not by the Radar. And all these function are operational today but will be improved with SPECTRA GaN antenna with F3-R. GaN SPECTRA antenna and GaN RBE2 antenna are ready but the cost is high. The problem of cost is for everybody. The French will use GaN first on the SPECTRA antenna because these antenna are small, and when the components will be cheaper we will induct conformal antenna with GaN modules.
     
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    dead link...
     
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    Yeah but a radar can do it better.

    No source for GaN on F3R. The end.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    SPECTRA do it better and on 360°. No need of a big power when you make smart jamming and when you can localise your target.
     
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    The Rafale just chanced it against some 50 year-old SAM systems because it had no SEAD capability.

    F4 - 2023/24

    MLU - 2030 - The report clearly mentions the conformal array is part of MLU, or maybe anyway, can't predict 15 years ahead reliably in this game.

    Oh dear oh dear, someone's been fibbing.:rofl::rofl::rofl:


    @vstol jockey @Gessler

    https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uplo...living-on-the-strategic-edge_162239575985.pdf

     
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    That means that F35 need air cover for F22. And we all know that. The sole problem is that only USA has F22 ...
    F35 is a stealth bomb truck. Without F22 it will be smashed by any 4th gen fighter.
     
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    22 Rafale per year in 2017 or 2018, with the possibility to reach 33.
     
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    What about when you can localise and you're VLO?

    What's this, more evidence of no SEAD.

    @vstol jockey @Gessler

    http://www.au.af.mil/au/aupress/digital/pdf/book/b_0125_anrig_quest_relevant_power.pdf

     

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