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F-35 Lightning II : News & Discussions

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Picard, Sep 4, 2012.

  1. DAC O DAC

    DAC O DAC IDF NewBie

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    Korea was ready, until USA forced the hand of top brass korean govt.

    Quite same history in Singapor

    I would be pleased to see a new benchmark between the now non paper F35 and the actual Rafale by netherlands air force....

    And I let the indian people replying about 3rd world ....

    Nice afternoon.
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  2. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Oh excuses, excuses.

    There must be some kind of breeding program for French people on this site. They keep multiplying.

    India was at least sensible enough to cut the order by 75%.
     
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    YarS 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    They are very visible for low frequency radars, that should be in normal anti-aircraft defence area. And yes, RCA of a plane is very different from different directions.
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    So, in the deep of defence it will be visible. It is a more a question for training and integration of different anti-aircraft defence systems.
     
  4. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae/sponsors/sponsor_rafale/img/fox3_5.pdf

    And Fox3 is not a French blog, it is the official publication of Rafale International (GIE - Rafale International 78, quai Marcel Dassault 92552 Saint-Cloud cedex 300 - France www.dassault-aviation.com www.snecma.com www.thalesgroup.com).
     
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    BON PLAN Captain FULL MEMBER

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    French are interested just because of the tittle : F35....
    And F35 is our prefered plane .... the proof of the US aerospace decadence.

    For India, we just have to wait the next batch : 36 for IAF or 57 for IN. or the two ....

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ef-marshal-bs-dhanoa/articleshow/57450893.cms
    "A total of 36 fighters would be added to the fleet in the first batch"
     
  6. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    First, plesa do not confuse SEAD and DEAD. YES there is no dedicated DEAD weapon on rafale atm. Is it problematic? It hasn't been yet. It could be. Money... Btw, cite me ONE DEAD weapon inducted on F-35 or Typhoon?
     
  7. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The F35 was designed to be upgraded. While thspae Rafale can be upgraded the possibility are limited. External weapons degrade stealth, the small nose limits options for technological weapons as does its limited power and computer strength. That does not even take into the limited budget for research development and technology.
     
  8. BMD

    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Garbage. They've clearly picked the figure of M1.6 for the purposes of marketing it against the F-35. There's no way a Rafale has enough thrust to reach that speed with drop tanks. The tanks may be aerodynamically cleared to M1.6 but the Rafale will never get them there. What did the Swis say about Rafale aircraft performance - 7, Typhoon - 9.
     
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    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...e-more-rafale-fighter-jets/article9581623.ece


    India unlikely to purchase more Rafale fighter jets

    NEW DELHI, MARCH 12:


    The government does not seem keen to place a follow-on order to buy twin-engine Rafale fighter planes made by French aerospace major Dassault Aviation even as the Indian Air Force (IAF) faces a depletion of its fleet.

    The Indian government signed a contract to purchase 36 Rafale fighter jets in fly-away condition on September 23 for a whopping $8.8 billion. The original plan was to buy 126 Rafale jets. However, the plan was trimmed owing to the cost of each aircraft and only 36 were bought after protracted negotiations with France.

    As a result, it is now unlikely that the government will place any further orders to buy these expensive planes even though it needs additional aircraft, sources in the Defence Ministry told BusinessLine.

    “Follow on orders for the Rafale are a big question mark. Where is the money going to come from? There are much cheaper options available,” said a senior official.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    So far Dassault is only manufacturing 11 planes a year most hand made, that means 111 planes in the next ten years and if Rafales were not already obsolete they will be before any substantial number of planes are produced.
     
  11. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It proves what I said: you know better the Rafale than Dassault.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The F-35 truly has the SA (ESM/SAR/EODAS/EOTS) to accurately geolocate threats and guide non-typical SEAD weapons there without being seen though. JSOW/JSOW-ER in Milestone C (2019), SPEAR and AARGM-ER later. Never said Typhoon had, but it could surely drop a Paveway IV on an SA-8 after finding it using RWR and LITENING. It could surely jam it using DRFM too. Brimstone II and SPEAR planned later though.

    The point I'm making is that the Rafale has no spontaneous SEAD/DEAD ability as previously claimed by yourself and others. I class them as one thing (forcing them to switch off and/or killing them). If Rafale detects a threat, it has no ability to spontaneously/instantaneously geolocate and target that threat with AASM as originally claimed. It can jam it for sure, as can Typhoon (which also has off-board jamming), it could try fly round it for sure, it could try locate it using the TALIOS for sure. But it has no true SEAD/DEAD ability using AASM or other. An F-35 on the other hand can immediately pinpoint it using sensor fusion between several sensors, calculate the threat envelope relative to the aircraft, map it on the tactical display and target it using EOTS or radar or ESM/SF geolocation and dispatch a JSOW/JSOW-ER, fly around it, or perform offensive jamming for other non-stealth aircraft.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    I know a Rafale can't reach M1.6 with 2x2000L drop tanks and I'll need a video to convince me otherwise. At least not in level flight, a dive maybe. Might have passed a wind-tunnel test, but that's about it.
     
  14. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    A typically British expression of faith. Only F-35 have sensor fusion (which doesn't work contrary of the Rafale one), Rafale cannot pinpoint a threat contrary to what Thales and MBDA said on the accuracy of interferometric localisation with SPECTRA, cannot map the threat! and fire an AASM at it, all thing that was demonstrated in Lybia and that F-35 and Typhoon still need to demonstrate!
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Why try to convince you? Nobody care of you.
     

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