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F-35 reality check

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Picard, Jul 17, 2015.

  1. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Yes, for the same reasons as the A-10: massive firepower, loiter time and precision due to engaging from relatively slow speeds and low altitude. However, unlike A-10, AC-130 cannot operate during day even if enemy has only light air defense. It is simply too large, slow, unmaneuverable and thin-skinned. Attack helicopters are also too slow, unmaneuverable and thin-skinned, and unlike AC-130, they don't have the loiter time.
     
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    BMD Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    A-10 can't operate under those conditions either.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    It can and it did, in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
     
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    So did AC-130.
     
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    Why are you so bitter ? .... Oups yes I forgot you bought the F35... feel sorry for you.
     
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    So did AC-130.
     
  7. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Actually, AC-130 operated mostly (almost exclusively) during the night, both in Iraq and Afganistan, because it cannot survive even the light air defense.
     
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    Neither can A-10. The AC-130 can at least fly above 23mm AAA range.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    And A-10 can survive within 23 mm envelope, fly above it or fly under it.
     
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    So if they're both flying above it and the AC-130 packs more firepower, more endurance and, crucially, DIRCM and ECM, then the AC-130 is better.
     
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    CAS require a visual contact
     
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    And? The AC-130 can do that from above or below cloud cover. It has a targeting pod plus SAR.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130

    So it can do everything an A-10 can do, plus it has way more firepower and endurance.
     
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    Visual contact mean a visual contact of the tactical situation...
     
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    And, an optical targeting and SAR gives you that, duh!
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    A-10 can also pack DIRCM and ECM if properly upgrades (but USAF doesn't want to do it, go figure), and unlike AC-130, A-10 can come within 23 mm envelope and survive, if necessary. AC-130 also cannot fly under said envelope, and even if it tried it would get quickly shredded by small-arms fire.

    It cannot come at low level when enemy is at grenade-throwing distance from friendly troops, it cannot survive daytime air defenses and it cannot operate from dirt strips or small forward air fields.

    Which is even more of looking through the soda straw than IRST is...
     

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