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F-35 reality check

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Picard, Jul 17, 2015.

  1. BMD

    BMD Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    AC-130 already has them. AC-130 doesn't need to fly below that envelope, ever.

    It doesn't need to operate from dirt strips because it has huge range and endurance. AC-130 is more effective than A-10 everyday.

    Err, nope, it sees everything.
     
  2. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The F-35 just proved it can take Russian or Chinese airspace without firing a shot
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    (An F-35B from Marine Fighter Attack Training Squadron 501 (VMFAT-501), flies near its base a MCAS Beaufort, South Carolina.Lockheed Martin)
    An F-35B just carried out a remarkable test where its sensors spotted an airborne target, sent the data to an Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense site, and had the land-based outpost fire a missile to defeat the target — thereby destroying an airborne adversary without firing a single shot of its own.

    This development simultaneously vindicates two of the US military's most important developments: The F-35 and the Naval Integrated Fire Control Counterair Network (NIFC-CA).

    Essentially, the NIFC-CA revolutionizes naval targeting systems by combining data from a huge variety of sensors to generate targeting data that could be used to defeat incoming threats.

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    (The U.S. Navy Arleigh-Burke class guided-missile destroyer USS John Paul Jones (DDG-53) launches a RIM-174 Standard ERAM (Standard Missile-6, SM-6) during a live-fire test of the ship's Aegis weapons system in the Pacific Ocean.US Navy)
    So now with this development, an F-35 can pass targeting data to the world's most advanced missile defense system, an Aegis site, that would fire its own missile, likely a SM-6, to take out threats in the air, on land, or at sea.

    This means that an F-35 can stealthily enter heavily contested enemy air space, detect threats, and have them destroyed by a missile fired from a remote site, like an Aegis land site or destroyer, without firing a shot and risking giving up its position.

    The SM-6, the munition of choice for Aegis destroyers, is a 22-foot long supersonic missile that can seek out, maneuver, and destroy airborne targets like enemy jets or incoming cruise or ballistic missiles.

    The SM-6's massive size prohibits it from being equipped to fighter jets, but now, thanks to the integration of the F-35 with the NIFC-CA, it doesn't have to.

    The SM-6, as effective and versatile as it is, can shoot further than the Aegis sites can see. The F-35, as an ultra connective and stealthy jet, acts as an elevated, highly mobile sensor that extends the effective range of the missile.

    This joint capability helps assuage fears over the F-35's limited capacity to carry ordnance. The jet's stealth design means that all weapons have to be stored internally, and this strongly limits the plane's overall ordnance capacity.

    This limiting factor has drawn criticism from pundits more fond of traditional jet fighting approaches. However, it seems the F-35's connectivity has rendered this point a non-issue.

    Overall, the F-35 and NIFC-CA integration changes the game when it comes to the supposed anti-access/area denial bubbles created by Russia and China's advanced air defenses and missiles.

    “One of the key defining attributes of a 5th Generation fighter is the force multiplier effect it brings to joint operations through its foremost sensor fusion and external communications capabilities,” said Orlando Carvalho, executive vice president of Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, said in a statement.

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    (Demonstration shows capability to extend the battlefront using Naval Integrated Fire Control-Counter Air (NIFC-CA).Lockheed Martin)

    “NIFC-CA is a game changer for the US Navy that extends the engagement range we can detect, analyze and intercept targets,” said Dale Bennett, another Lockheed Martin vice president in the statement.

    “The F-35 and Aegis Weapon System demonstration brings us another step closer to realizing the true potential and power of the worldwide network of these complex systems to protect and support warfighters, the home front and US allies.”
     
  3. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    You expect a few problems with a plane a generation ahead of all other planes. I would not worry about it.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    a UCAV can do exactly the same.
     
  5. BMD

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    Not currently.
     
  6. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Yes a generation ahead in being a flop.
     
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    It's not like the PAK-FA development is trouble free and there are some extremely questionable aspects.
     
  8. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Says some one from a country paying France 210 million each plus for 40 year old designed Rafales.

    SM 6 has a 150 to 200 mile range, can be used for ground targets as well. Works well against missile, including low flying missiles. The F35 will allow the SM 6 to be used against targets over the horizon.

    The Navy's Air Defense Missile Will Become a Supersonic Ship Killer
    The long-range SM-6 will now target surface naval vessels in addition to aircraft.

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    • longest surface-to-air engagement in naval history. The Navy wouldn't say the exact range of the missile for security's sake, but the ability to take out incoming missiles or aircraft at long range is obviously valuable.

      Now, that ability is expanding. The Navy says it will modify the Raytheon-built Standard Missile-6 to act as a supersonic anti-ship missile. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter has confirmed the service was developing the anti-ship SM-6 in an effort to give Navy cruisers and destroyers a weapon capable of reaching such targets more than 200 nautical miles away.

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      "We are going to create a brand-new capability," Carter said during a February 10 press conference in San Diego. "We're modifying the SM-6 so that in addition to missile defense, it can also target enemy ships at sea at very long ranges."
     
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    Stealthy F35 and F22 directing long range supersonic missiles in to targets hundreds of miles away both ground, sea and air. Some that can be done, now and into production.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Pls stop fooling yourself. F-35, like America, is doomed. You can shift to India. We have a history of welcoming idiots.
     
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    A UCAV or a E2C can do the same.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Remember the F35 is new technology, the Rafale was designed 40 year ago and for all practical purpose useless in a modern war.
     
  13. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Remenber the F-35 was desiged in the 90s and is useless in all kind of war, modern or not.
     
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    Remember concurrency, development while testing.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Concurrency, the disaster that destroyed the US industry
     

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