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F-INSAS : Indias Future Infantry Soldier Project

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by Manmohan Yadav, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. VCheng

    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    The most important line in the post. Secure, reliable, position-aware communications is one of the most critical assets out on the battle field. What is being done in this regard?
     
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    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    BMS (Battle Management System) projects. About $7-8 billions worth infrastructure mostly developed by Tata Power SED.

    https://www.saddahaq.com/battlefield-management-system-a-hawkeye-of-the-battlefield

    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...tlefield-management-system/article8381783.ece
     
  3. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

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    The sick thing is that MKU and TATA make world class helmets and chest rigs.

    Software defined radios will be a gamechanger for the IA that will massively expand their network centric warefare capabilities. Allowing data, video and voice to be streamed across all platforms (soldiers, aerial assets, armoured vehicles) will be a devestating capability for the world's 3rd largest army to gain.
     
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    Abingdonboy Captain Technical Analyst

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    This is the area that is being developed most aggresively, the IA is hunting for software defined radios for all of its aviation assets, armoured vehicles and infantry commanders, immense BMS projects have been implemented and validated and the IA will have their own dedicated comm sat by 2021.
     
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  5. Gessler

    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Part-2

    Protection & Combat Utility

    Head Protection -

    A no-frills Advanced Combat Helmet (ACH) 2000-based ballistic helmet should be the core element. Some units (like the Maratha Light Infantry) have already adopted these helmets and were shown in use during joint combat exercises with the Chinese People's Liberation Army. As seen here -

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    While I'm not sure about who's the supplier for these helmets, I'll use the MUKUT series by Kanpur-based MKU Ltd. as the product I will use for this topic. This is based on the ACH-2000 design. The Marine Infantry Combat Helmet (MICH) is a similar design, but meant for the USMC. So don't bother with the ACH/MICH naming schemes.

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    The MKU Mukut comes with some essential protection & comfort concepts like:

    RHT Technology
    Bolt-Free Shell
    Modular Padding Support System (MPSS)
    So the Mukut is proper, well-rounded package as far as the platform is concerned. Now, let's see how we can upgrade or enhance it's utility. One of the key points is that this helmet has a Bolt-Free shell so screwing in integration points like side-rails, NVG mounts etc. is not possible. However, MKU has provided a much simpler integration method -

    MULTIPLE ACCESSORY CONNECTOR SYSTEM (MACS)

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    The MACS system provides all the integration options any IA unit would possibly require in the future, without drilling holes in the shell and weakening the helmet's integrity & protection levels.

    Helmet-Mounted Equipment -

    • A standardized Gen-III/IV dual-tube Night Optics Device (NOD) should be accessible to the infantry in order to provide an effective night-time fighting capability. The lack of infantry-level NV equipment would be a serious drawback in the modern battlefield. Keeping costs in mind, a local option (which is nevertheless world-class as already proven) like the DuVi-B from Bengaluru-based Tonbo Imaging Ltd. would be a nice option. The DuVi-B incorporates highly digital sensor-fusion, drawing from both it's Low-Level Light sensor as well as it's Thermal Imaging sensor.

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    http://tonboimaging.com/tonbo/products/duvi-b/

    • Other peripheral items like flashlights, which are basically normal battery-operated LEDs held in place by a rail-mounted clamp -

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    • I would like the load-bearing infantry soldier to have as less weight on the head as possible, so another option would be an angle-head flashlight tucked into the chest rig -

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    Body Protection -

    Before I begin this section, let me stress the importance of molle/velcro. One can have good ballistic protection, and strap-on carry bags for everything, but the lack of molle/velcro on these individual components severely limits their growth potential as a system, as well it's integration options with other systems.

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    The most desirable commodity would be a highly-customizable Adaptive Vest System (AVS), available from a multitude of foreign manufacturers. The likes of MKU & TAML can easily come up with similar designs is asked to. The advantage here is that you can start off buying a bare-bones plate carrier, and eventually develop it to suit the individual operator's load-out, role in the tactical situation at that point, and to an extent, as per the soldier's preferences, through extensive use of molle & velcro.

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    • An extensive, indigenous AVS can be developed using MKU's INSTAVEST-G6 as the core element. Or an equivalent from Tata Advanced Materials Ltd. (TAML) - both can provide effective defence against 9x19mm rounds, and less effective protection from rifle-caliber rounds, depending on range, area of impact & type of armor inserted.

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    • The armor plate inserts are also available from private-sector manufacturers like MKU itself, an example would be the Polyshield and Cerazone-series plates, offering protection ranging from Level III to Level III+ and Level IV (NIJ 0101.04 standards), coming in several weight ranges from 1kg to almost 4kgs.

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    http://www.mku.com/en/Armour-Insert

    Utility/Load-Bearing -

    • A wide range of molle/velcro-integrating pouches that can carry everything from additional magazines to explosives, weapon attachments & other electronic items can be developed to interface with the core element (INSTAVEST or equivalent vest system). The variations depend upon the soldier's class (rifleman, designated marksman, anti-armor, autorifleman, etc.) and his weapon & equipment.

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    • A tactical Hydration System should be developed as part of the AVS complex for long-duration deployments.

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    • New-generation rucksacks with molle/velcro, in various sizes. With better space-optimization.

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    • Tactical gloves. This is often an overlooked aspect and quickly disregarded as a fancy/unnecessary item by many. But the uses of a pair of gloves are practically endless while out in the field. Some examples -
    1. Allows to better tolerate the general heat from your weapon after extended bouts of firing/sustained full-auto fire.
    2. In the case of the weapon misfiring, overheating (which is followed by catching fire) etc. a gloved hand can handle the weapon better, regardless of whether you're working to dispose of it, cool it off, or field-strip a hot firearm.
    3. Better protection & tolerance from shrapnel, the elements, & superior comfort while repairing vehicles, handling flammable materials etc.
    4. Better protection & impact in the event of hand-to-hand combat (hard-knuckle types are my favorite tactical gloves for this reason).
    Furthermore, we can easily make them at home...and they'll cost next to nothing that way.

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    • Eyewear. I do believe that people of the Subcontinent have better tolerance to direct sunlight than most American/European types. However a pair of plastic-rimmed sunglasses for each soldier (especially those operating in the deserts) wouldn't hurt. Again, they'll cost next to nothing. However I think it could be an issue if a lower-ranking soldier is wearing kala chashma in the presence of a superior who's not. Some rules may have to be formed. Damn.

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    Please take forward the discussion & add any critical items I may have missed. Weapons & weapon-mounted systems will be covered in Part-3 ...

    @Abingdonboy @randomradio @MilSpec @PARIKRAMA @VCheng @Darth Marr @Levina @Grevion @vstol jockey
     
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  6. VCheng

    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    Are adequate Quality Control and Assurance methods reliable enough to trust domestic production?
     
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    Depends on the QA/QC standards asked of by the IA. If we can make world-class plate carriers & NODs, making world-class gloves is hardly a challenge. Even if you disregard all this, a pair of gloves made in India will always cost way lesser than one made in the US. Just because labor costs.
     
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    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    Yes, but my point is if the 100th batch will be the same as the first?
     
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    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    No. The 100th batch onward, each glove will have six fingers. :biggthumpup:

    Quality industrial output in the country is NOT an impossibility. However, don't expect to receive a Mercedes at the price of a Maruti.

    What we need is a stitched piece of fabric with some plastic inserts.
     
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    VCheng RIDER GEO STRATEGIC ANALYST

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    Quality is not an impossibility, but given the entrenched corruption in the entire procurement and supply chain, my concerns are valid, at least for the time being.
     
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    There's a reason bikers love Army surplus stores.

    I am looking for a good low cost tactical baton. Collapsible type.

    Chinese ones keep jamming or bending.

    Please advise.
     
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    A very great piece of writeup.... Waiting for more such treats from you....:agree:
     
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    Actually in government PSU's QC is one dept where the technicians and engineers are quite at home. COPQ in in the PSU I worked for was horrid, and there was no almost next to nothing claims and concessions, main thing on Pareto was scrap and mostly generated from rejection. Although remedial actions via BPS was also absent for both internal parts as well as supplier parts. The good news is OFB is quite good at making anything that doesn't fire small caliber stuff, helmets, uniforms, Jackets, parachutes, rugs, comforters, shoes and stuff like that is right in thier wheel house. So helmets would be a big turn on for babus in OFB, now if we talk about assault rifles or precision rifle, that's another story.
     
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    Go visit Gopinath Market in Delhi Cantt. Or in Dehradun the stores. You will get the stuff you want.

    On topic as above, we have excellent equipment coming in nowadays in the Indian market itself. Most of the infantry/RR units have been getting quite good gear from MacGear. Molle backpacks, heavy duty sleeping bags, light weight tactical vests with space for armour inserts are available at unit level canteens.

    Additionally, equipment is being procured under Army Commander's Special Financial Power in terms of kevlar inserts, rehydration equipment, SUNTO navigation watches, Magnum and S.W.A.T tactical boots etc.

    The problem, however remains the maintenance. The lack of individual responsibility and ownership of the equipment results in high attrition of the equipment.

    Towards this, one would look at the US system of equipment procurement at their PX stores. Until and unless the soldier is made responsible for the upkeep and maintenance of the individual equipment, irrespective of the sums pumped into the system, there shall be problem.
     
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    It would be a bit more expensive than what I'm willing to pay to do that from Pune though.

    The army surplus store here does not have it.

    Cheers, Doc
     

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