F-INSAS : Indias Future Infantry Soldier Project

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by Manmohan Yadav, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. halloweene

    halloweene PROFESSIONAL

    We are presently debogging our own Future soldier system (FELIN) in France (well in Afghanistan, french army), and weight is one of the main issues. In fact, willing to create too versatile system seems sometimes problematic. Eg, the optronic system on weapon : night vision google + camera + infrared + telemetry etc. Beautiful on paper, seems to properly work, but maybe too large and heavy.? Presently, FELIN equipped squads seem to operate with a mixture of "classical" and felin stuff and to be happy with it. Other limitation of system seem to be the brandwith for ex. Netcentric warfare do request a lot of communication multiplied by the amount of soldiers( please excuse my english, i hope i'm clear).
    They also mentioned that one of the cornerstone of such systems is the elaboration of new infantry doctrina, as squads do not need anymore to be so tightly related, tactical situation awareness is way better for squad leader and commandment, communications are silent due to osteophony etc.
    There are press reports about the system, but they are in french...
  2. princeofdarkness

    princeofdarkness REGISTERED

    F INSAS ..i think its a pipe long dream for army! There is no news regarding its initial implementation yet!! :sad:


    It is a boost up for Indian soldiers
  4. AccessDenied

    AccessDenied SENIOR MEMBER

    India's F-INSAS update: Survivability


    As we await the outcome of the first phase of India’s Futuristic Soldier As a System (F-INSAS) programme, in the first of a series of articles Defence IQ casts an eye over the new features set to revolutionize Indian infantry. First up: Survivability.
    This is the ‘don’t be penetrated’ layer of the survivability onion. Other areas of the F-INSAS programme incorporate the ‘don’t be targeted’ and ‘don’t be hit’ sections, but when these two barriers are broken down the survivability aspect of a soldier’s kit becomes his first line of defence. As with all survivability solutions, be they for man-worn equipment or military vehicles, the challenge in ensuring the maximum level of protection is achieved without compromising on weight and cost. Perhaps this trade-off is no more apparent than for the ‘body armour and individual equipment’ component of India’s F-INSAS soldier modernisation programme.
    Under F-INSAS, the Indian government is seeking a tactical vest that will protect the legs, groin, neck and collar from ballistic projectiles. The exact level of protection required has not been specified but following most Indian requirements to date the vest will likely be at least covered under NIJ Level IIIA, which will protect the soldier from a 0.44 magnum round. The helmet will only need to be resistant to 9mm rounds, so the cost:weight:performance ratio here will be far less problematic than for the vest.
    According to John Hegle, Senior Tech Director for the Assured Mobility Branch of the U.S. Army’s Manoeuvre Support Centre of Excellence, the optimal soldier assault load is equal to 30% of their body weight and the optimal marching load is 45%. With over half of U.S. Army soldiers suffering from long-term musculoskeletal injuries due to overloading, with a significant portion of that weight laying in the body armour, the Indian government must develop innovative survivability solutions that retain high ballistic performance at a significantly lower areal density than those currently on the market.
    However, when you consider all the other capabilities the soldier of the future will need to have on his person – such as having solar panels to charge electrical equipment, the ability to resist the impact of a CBRN attack and storage for oxygen supplies – providing an adequate armour solution at an acceptable weight becomes difficult.

    Armouring Up

    The F-INSAS programme is calling for a ceramic armour solution but increasingly the industry is having to develop new materials to combat the weight problem. Ceramic is around half the mass of steel, but what the military really needs now is something that’s at least half that again.
    Although still many years in the lab, there are a number of R&D projects taking place that are seeking to achieve this weight saving. For example, scientists in America are currently looking into the mechanical properties of the mantis shrimps ‘fist’, which can destroy exoskeletons and resist over 50,000 high impact blows during the shrimp’s lifespan. It is thought the complex structure of the shrimp’s fist could reveal vital clues to improving the impact resistance of manmade materials, including ballistic fabrics for body armour. David Kisailus, assistant professor at the University of California’s Riverside’s Bourns College of Engineering, said that his aim with the research is to reduce the weight of body armour to a third of its current weight.
    It is possible that the ballistic material used for the vest would ideally not only protect the soldier from bullets and shrapnel, but also disperse the impact of a gunshot or blast and then harness and transfer that energy for its own internal energy system. A number of these ‘smart’ materials, or e-textiles, are currently in development with militaries around the world including the British and U.S. Armies.
    But with clothing it is not just ballistic integrity that needs to be considered for the soldier of the future, it is energy output, communications systems and CBRN protection too. In terms of the latter, the consideration of chemical warfare, though uncommon and not frequently prioritised by international defence ministries, is felt by some, including British Lt Gen (Rtd) Sir John Kiszely, to be at most risk of becoming the “hidden threat” given the increasing development of the IED and terrorism.
    According to reports the jacket must also be “waterproof yet breathable” and is likely to incorporate mosquito repellent fabric considering the regional environment. In a world of mines, mortars and bullets, it is important to remember that the mosquito continues to kill hundreds of thousands per year.
    As such, integrated medical sensors are being integrated into the soldier’s clothing to deal with all possible health hazards. These in-built real-time monitors will consist of a diagnostic suite enabled to measure vital signs such as heart rate, blood pressure, body temperature, stress levels and even physical impact, essentially allowing medics and doctors to know immediately where injuries are located and what needs to be done to stabilise the troop. There is also a notion of lacing the fabric on uniforms with blood-clotting fibres, which in could in theory be tied in with the “onboard” sensors.
    The medical sensor suite is likely to rank as one of the most costly features of the F-INSAS package and may require capability re-tailoring to meet the needs of both budget and practicality.
    Some reports from the earliest released RFIs on the subject pointed to ARDE exploration of counter-IED boots, which would enhance the chances of lower limb protection in the event of a soldier stepping on a landmine. How effective such technology can be in live theatre remains either a mystery or guarded secret, but it is known that the most damaging of non-lethal IED injuries (i.e. those requiring amputation) result from impact to the heel. F-INSAS boots may answer this by adding heightened absorption material to the sole, but whether this lends itself too much to an increase of weight, or indeed interferes with the aforementioned boot-based power cell, may cause decision makers to opt instead for a mobility approach over one of bulky protection.

    PS- I apologize if this has been posted already.

    Last edited: Nov 23, 2012
  5. Foxtrot


    F INSAS ..i think its a pipe long dream for army! There is no news regarding its initial implementation yet!! :sad:
  6. BMD


  7. Manmohan Yadav

    Manmohan Yadav Aquila Non Capit Muscas Staff Member

    Country Flag:
    what is the name of this gun

    Trichy Assault Rifle ?
  8. WMD


    this is the INSAS rifle but IA is replacing it,
    there's a competition going on for it,
    F-INSAS will see the use of a diff. AR than INSAS, DRDO is also developing a multi-calliber AR.
    the ARs being considered for replacing INSAS r
    Beretta ARX160
    Colt MGI multi-caliber
    IWI Galil ACE Series
    IMI Tavor TAR-21
    CZ-805 BREN
  9. karan2

    karan2 FULL MEMBER

    Speed up project to modernise infantry: Ex-Army official

    A former Army officer has sought speeding up a project to enhance lethality and mobility of the foot soldier by turning him into a “a self-contained fighting machine”, saying modernisation of the infantry has not been given its due so far.

    “There is need to not only hasten the F-INSAS (Future Infantry Soldier As a System) project but also holistically review whether there is a need to go beyond and meet the soldier modernisation of the entire security sector including the paramilitary and police forces,” Prakash Katoch, a former Lt Gen in the Indian Army’s Special Forces said.

    He also recommended that all military, paramilitary and police forces involved in counter-insurgency and counter- terrorist operations “need to be met in integrated fashion at the national level”.

    Continuous focus was needed to decrease load and significantly improve effectiveness of the infantryman so as to increase in lethality, survivability and mobility by making the soldier ‘a self-contained fighting machine’, Katoch said in an article in the latest issue of security journal ‘Indian Defence Review’.

    From weapons, body armour, clothing and all-weather, all-terrain equipment to night-vision devices, radio and IT connectivity (like palmtop GPS devices), have to be provided under the F-INSAS programme, he said.

    Mini Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and medium range surveillance devices which can be fitted in the backpacks of soldiers should be developed urgently, he said, referring to their successful operations by US forces in Afghanistan.

    Speed up project to modernise infantry: Ex-Army official
  10. Himanshu Pandey

    Himanshu Pandey Don't get mad, get even. Staff Member

    is the lack of news is because of secrecy or unability to implement?
  11. Gessler

    Gessler ELITE MEMBER

    Replacing INSAS with a foreign gun for the whole infantry would not only be totally demoralising but also very
    cost-prohibitive. The DRDO MCW will replace INSAS sooner or later. Foreign guns can only be acquired in limited numbers,
    below 70k and the like, and they can never be the standard-issue weapon for all infantry units. Never.
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  12. WMD


    yes, u r right but selection process between above contenders is on,
    i don't remember the no. exactly but it is close to what u hav posted,
    considering our large armed forces these won't b standard issue but the procurement is also not meant for SFs, so these r for IA's infantry units.
    if i remember correctly the tender is not only for ARs but also includes carbines, LMGs and sniper rifles.
    its just a matter of time before INSAS ARs get replaced as our standard issue ARs, the DRDO multi-calliber rifle might play a role in it.
    anyway, F-INSAS will see a diff. AR than our current INSAS ones, that's the point i'm trying to make.

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  13. Gessler

    Gessler ELITE MEMBER

    Yes, the tender is for 66,000 rifles, mostly for SFs and special units. The Tavor is likely to win that tender too.
  14. WMD


    its from an old article i posted here at IDF

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  15. Gessler

    Gessler ELITE MEMBER

    We should buy the Negev MG and Barrett heavy 12.7mm SR.

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