F16, F18, Gripen - Other Make In India LWF - news and possibilities

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  1. vstol jockey
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    I told you that its paper plane but what I have not told you is that a large amount of CFD analysis has been done including Ski-Ramp launch analysis with just 20kts WOD-wind on deck from 125m and 190m deck run from Vikky for all configurations including full load take-offs and also recovery with slats & Flaps failure which gives LSA highest landing speed. The recovery has been achieved within 91m of arrested deck run at 2.5G deceleration. Do you still think that LSA is a paper plane? Can you calculate these performances without a complete 3D aircraft data available to you?
     
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    What will be the engine choice for prototypes ? since, HTFE is not ready.
     
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    HTFE won't be the choice even if it's ready. It's a small 25kN non-afterburning engine for drones and the like.

    Most likely the engine for the LSA would be EJ230, as per @vstol jockey
     
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    My choice since first day had been EJ-230 unless Safran-Kaveri combination can produce an engine with 108KN wet thrust. For deck launch I need more wet thrust.
     
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    I asked because he was advocating a 35kN version for the navy version.
     
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    I had stated that I can even have a twin engine version using 2xHTFE36/54 engines. This needs HTFE-25 to be upgraded to HTFE-36 standard first followed by attaching an afterburner to take its wet thrust to 54KN.
     
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    The twin engine option is now nearly ruled out as I need bigger wheels for deck ops and that takes away the space for second engine. I will need a complete redesign to make it twin engine for deck ops. The twin engine option can still be used for IAF version.
     
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    If F35 lands on an India deck, it's the end of the LSA.
    as Gripen for Tejas.
     
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    Also for Rafale-M.
     
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    f35 fanboys need to stop dreaming. there's no way that AC is getting inducted into in or iaf
     
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    I will not show contempt to you guys by laughing at what you guys post at times bcoz you are not experienced with what the needs of a deck based fighter are. Very humbly, I wud like to tell you guys that the parameters required for a deck based fighter are very stringent and they also have to take into consideration the aircraft carrier capabilities. generating high wind on deck is one such limitation. Vikky and IAC-1 are non nuke carriers and can generate a maximum WOD of 30kts in actual nil wind conditions. USN carriers are nuke powered and can hit 35 kts on their own.
     
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    Indeed :ban:

    but Rafale "already" in IAF. And MII may arrived.... for navy also.

    India will never built F35. Or in 35 years, when it will be at same technical level F16 is today.
     
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    YES.
    A good point for Rafale : the Charles de Gaulle french nuclear carrier is able to match 27 knots max (and probably a little less)....
     
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    Meanwhile, more good news for F/A-18.

    U.S. NAVY AIMS TO BUY MORE BOEING F/A-18 SUPER HORNETS

    SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA: The U.S. Navy plans to divest its older model Boeing Co F/A-18 Hornet fighter jets in coming years and hopes to buy dozens of F/A-18 E/F Super Hornets to deal with a shortfall of strike fighters aboard its carriers, a Navy official said.

    The plan, which is still being finalized, could be implemented as early as part of the fiscal 2018 budget, said the official, who was not authorized to speak publicly.
    "To decrease the strike fighter shortfall and to best prepare future air wings for likely threats we will soon divest from legacy Hornets, look to buy several squadrons worth of Super Hornets and continue with efforts to bring on the F-35 carrier variant," said the official.
    The Navy also plans to field and deploy a new unmanned carrier-based refueling plane, the official said.

    Sources familiar with Navy plans say delays in the fielding of the carrier variant of the Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 fighter jet, longer-than-expected maintenance times for older model Hornets, and higher usage rates have left the Navy facing a shortfall of about 70 fighter jets in coming years. If implemented, the plan would provide dozens of new orders for Boeing and keep its St. Louis production line running for several more years.

    "We would welcome an opportunity to develop a plan, with the Navy, that would allow us to continue providing the robust capabilities of the Super Hornet well into the future," said Boeing spokesman Todd Blecher. The company had suffered a setback last month when Congress failed to include 12 Super Hornets in the fiscal 2017 defense authorization bill, opening a potential gap in the Boeing production line until several foreign orders for Kuwait and Canada are finalized. The $618.7 billion bill was passed Friday by the U.S. House of Representatives, and the Senate is expected to vote on the measure next week.

    Navy officials say the jets could still be added to the fiscal 2017 budget as part of a supplemental budget that lawmakers are urging Republican President-elect Donald Trump to submit after he takes office. Republicans, who will control both houses of Congress and the White House after Trump is sworn in on Jan. 20, see good prospects for raising military spending levels and scrapping a 2010 law that imposed mandatory cost caps on defense spending. The older model Hornets could be transferred to the Marine Corps, which has faced its own maintenance issues, including a lack of spare parts.

    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...f/a-18-super-hornets/articleshow/55787834.cms
     
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    India's defense minister expressed that India is not interested in acquiring US F-16 fighter aircraft despite aggressive lobbying by Lockheed Martin.

    In what can be seen as a sharp denial to the US, India has dismissed a proposal made by Lockheed Martin Corp to build F-16 fighter jets in India. India's defense minister Manohar Parrikar said in Parliament,

    The defense minister was replying to a query by a lawmaker who suggested that Indian fighter pilots should get first-hand experience flying F-16s during the ongoing Red Flag joint exercise in Alaska. Parrikar informed the Parliament that the most crucial part of the Red Flag exercise was acclimatizing the Indian Air Force to counter enemy planes like the F-16.

    This statement by India's defense minister comes at the backdrop of US defense firm Lockheed Martin's desperate attempts to sell its F-16 fighter jets to India, either directly or by teaming up with Indian firms in the manufacturing process.

    Earlier this month, representatives of Lockheed Martin met Indian Defense Ministry officials to discuss the possibility of setting up the final assembly line in India. According to Defense Ministry sources, Lockheed Martin sought an opportunity to take part in the 'Make in India' project but no concrete proposal could not be finalized. Earlier this year, the defense minister announced that India would involve the private sector in establishing one or more fighter jet manufacturing units under the Make in India campaign.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/military/201605061039181348-india-us-refuses-f16-jets/
     
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