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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. mugundhan

    mugundhan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    It's looks like IAF doesn't want any plane other than rafale.
    They are wasting time of gov, which can make deals asap compare to congress
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It will be suicidal for this govt to bring in either F-16 or Gripen or for that matter even F-18 thru backdoor as these aircraft have already been rejected in MMRCA contest. Any new aircraft will have to come thru another tender only except an IDDM fighter.
     
  3. stephen cohen

    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    If there were so many issues ; why did IAF and GOI lead them on

    Now how do we break away from this SE deal after so much public love fest

    By The Way has DRAL given the quotation for MII Rafales

    What will they cost us -- cost per unit
     
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    mugundhan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    I highly doubt Tejas 1a. If IAF wants same requirements stated while rejecting f16 and gripen e


    Now I understand the pain of @vstol jockey why he changed from lsa to msa
     
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  5. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    Its a slug fest,,,

    GOI will win but have to concede few things aka what IAF wants in this deal and other deals as part of the negotiations.

    Recall yesterday China statement of entering J&K, political class and officials are advocating the US India Axis finalization even more with this new ammunition. But IAF will stick to their demands and as a compromise
    1. Tata will make parts and have JVs with BEL, SAMTEL etc where other tech from LM will be passed onto for local Indian Manufacturing/assembling.
    2. IAF will be given the bird of its choice to make them agree to this proposition.

    The risk is going to be using press to tom tom LM F16s and bad mouth Tejas in order to "justify" this purchase which is purely a political purchase. Since Tejas all positive reports are in file now, it will be shadow boxing via commentators and articles/news reports.

    DRAL cost per Unit I need to check now based on new developments like what percentage will now be locally made here. As a thumb rule cost reduction expected once it reaches Break Even is 7-9% over French produced planes at Merignac
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Pls don't quote me anywhere, but IAF & IN have together decided against any more SE fighter. Only LCA will be allowed. IAF can be bought over easily provided MOD orders the number of Rafale which IAF wants. And IAF will play this game with every tranche of SE fighter that is ordered, they will ask for another Tranche of Rafale.
     
  7. PARIKRAMA

    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    IAF cant bad mouth Tejas bcz it justifies Tejas as a low cost option and use the resources in Twin Engine medium and heavy fighters...

    These flags are raised bcz both the F16s and Gripen are competing as SE but in medium category (lower end) so technically wants to infringe on Rafale territory and IAF evaluations (extensive) made these birds fail. So IAF now cannot justify it under any circumstances or else it has to eat its evaluation and say its dud ....
     
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  8. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    MOD is trying to do IAF Job? Trust reigns.
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    So what happens to the Technical issues flagged by the IAF

    In your earlier post you mentioned something about Radars and other On board Avionics

    So this is relating to F 16 or Grippen E or Both
     
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    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    Primarily F- 16 and reports mentions similar points are found in Gripen E. Radar and Avionics is supporting in much lower range then what IAF has got in its inventory of MKI and Rafales.

    In no way , the present setup in both aircraft can utilise the AIM and Meteor capabilities satisfactorily.

    Technical issues have to be either sorted or a suitable replacement has to be cited/procured from off the shelf option thereby increasing price and making it more costly under Customization head.
     
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    sunstersun Lieutenant IDF NewBie

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    So it seems F-16 is the heavy favourite if one of them is ultimately chosen?
     
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    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    Tough to say precisely but seems all building blocks for Mk1A is falling in place one by one. What left is certain RFI winners to announced and Engine progress to be revealed. First priority is a quick FOC and firing Derby and I Derby at full capacity and strengthening the first squadron numbers asap.

    Will ask in details about Mk1A soon..

    As of now yes- Reason - Political purchase
     
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    I wonder how will LM react when
    IAF points out the Deficiencies and Defects in F 16

    Grippen E is still under development ; so they can say these are snags we can Fix

    But F 16 Block 70 with APG 83 and all other latest fancy Avionics
    was described as the Answer of all of IAF's prayers and wishes

    http://www.lockheedmartin.com/conte...ocuments/f16/F-16_Block_70_India_Brochure.pdf

    If word gets out that IAF rejected F 16 on Technical grounds
    ( rather than on Price or disputes over
    Foundation agreements like CISMOA / BECA )
    then it can cause a huge Row
     
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    stephen cohen Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The Lockheed Martin Brochure on F 16 Block 70 that has been offered to India
    lists AIM 120 D and AIM 9X as the Air to Air weapons

    SO where is the problem
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Range of the Radar.
     
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