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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

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    yep ! long time a go ! the rafale mono engine, low observable with low rcs, we can put now the m88 90KN, or the 110KN of snecma inside, aesa radar, spectra, and weapon payload like M2000-9. spectra&rbe2 aesa extended will make the big difference with the gripen NG. Dassault need just customer request for reformat the rafale in mono engine version. the old fteen serie time is now over after 40 years service.

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    I talk also of the M884 110KN initialy made for replace the M53 of M2000, it can go now on rafale mono engine

     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Now you know how LSA will enter the fray under IDDM and as a superior product to anything which the world can offer in single engine Light Weight category.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    LSA will undergo full CFD analysis at a CEMILAC certified agency just after Diwali and the complete analysis and simulation will be complete by Dec this year. After that LSA will emerge as a real contender for IAF LWF program and will no more be a paper plane.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    LSA will be first Stealth aircraft to fly in Indian airspace. Just wait and watch how it unfolds. Things are progressing exactly the way I was told it will happen.
    Indian LWF will be another process like MMRCA but with a very short time frame. No aircraft will ever be ordered without an RFP and evaluation.
     
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    Both international options are limited. But if all three are required to be flight tested, then LSA won't be available for tests. Or will the evaluations take 2 years to begin?
     
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    Gripen NG and F-16 blk-70 are also not ready yet. they too will take another three years.
     
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    Technically their aircraft are already flying in older variants. Gripen has the Demo and F-16 has the Block 60.
     
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    LSA is combination of HF-24 and Mig-21. So in a way it too is flying.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Oh come on. There's no way you can ask the IAF to test fly the Mig-21 and HF-24 and then say, "Yeah, LSA will be similar, but a bit better."

    The IAF evaluated the B60 and Gripen D during MMRCA evals. I doubt more trials are required after MMRCA.
     
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    Let us wait and watch. LWF will go to a design which is Indian, uses Indian engine and has something additional to 4.5th Gen aircraft. Pls remember that additional features over and above RFI/P carry 10% more weightage as per DPP-2016. I can't share many things at this stage but will do so after 15th November. Many things about LSA will start rolling after 15th Oct.
     
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    Finally, search begins for a fighter to replace MiG-21s
    Published October 9, 2016
    SOURCE: THE HINDU

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    Within days of signing the deal to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets from France, the Defence Ministry has issued a Request For Information (RFI) to global aircraft manufacturers, formally starting the process to select yet another fighter to be built in India under technology transfer.

    Sources told The Hindu that an RFI for a single-engine fighter to be manufactured in India with extensive technology transfer was issued this week to countries involved in fighter aircraft manufacture. Based on the responses, a detailed RFP (Request for Proposal) would be issued later.

    Last month, India and France concluded a government-to-government deal worth €7.87-billion deal for 36 Rafale multi-role jets in flyaway condition.

    The selected aircraft is expected to replace the large number of MiG-21s in service, which will be phased out over the next few years.

    Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has stated in the past that the Rafale, a medium-weight jet, is not a replacement for MiG-21s and another aircraft would be selected to replace the latter. He has also said these would be built in partnership with the private sector.

    Addressing the Indian Air Force on the 84th raising day, Air Chief Marshal (ACM) Arup Raha observed that an “early decision on indigenous ‘Make in India’ fighter aircraft project would greatly enhance our operational capability in the near term.”

    Boeing and Lockheed Martin of the U.S. and SAAB of Sweden have already submitted detailed proposals to manufacture their F-18, F-16 and Gripen jets respectively in India under the ‘Make in India’ initiative.
     
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    IAF kicks off contest to make single-engine fighters in India
    Published October 8, 2016
    SOURCE: Ajai Shukla | Business-standard.com

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    A global contest has restarted for supplying India a medium, multi-role fighter, with the Indian Air Force (IAF) inviting top international fighter jet manufacturers to set up a production facility in India.

    Business Standard has learned that Indian embassies in Washington, Moscow and Stockholm wrote on Friday tofighter jet manufacturers in these countries to confirm whether they would partner an Indian company in building a medium, single-engine fighter, with significant transfer of technology to the Indian entity.


    The confidential document sent by the embassies is not technically a “Request for Information” (RFI), which is a precursor to a “Request for Proposals” (also known as a tender). However, it serves the same purpose, which is to determine which vendors are interested and what they are willing to offer.

    By specifying that the IAF requires a single-engine fighter, the latest letter differs from an earlier tender, issued in 2007, for 126 medium, multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA). The MMRCA tender, which had no such stipulation, saw six vendors fielding four twin-engine and two single-engine fighters. The twin-engine offerings included Dassault’s Rafale, Eurofighter GmbH’s Typhoon, Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and RAC MiG’s MiG-35. The single-engine fighters offered were Lockheed Martin’s F-16IN Super Viper and Saab’s Gripen D.

    The much-hyped MMRCA tender eventually collapsed, with the IAF last month buying a token 36 Rafale fighters. Now, the IAF has kicked off a more focused contest that will feature only single-engine fighters.

    Numerous airpower experts have pointed out that the IAF needs single-engine fighters to replace the single-engine MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters that must be retired in the near future. The Rafale, a medium-heavy, twin-engine fighter, is too expensive for operational tasks that asingle-engine fighter can easily manage.

    While Boeing, Eurofighter, RAC MiG, Sukhoi and Dassault would technically be able to respond to the latest RFI, none of them can offer a state-of-the-art, medium, single-engine fighter. Therefore, it seems likely that New Delhi would have to choose between Saab’s Gripen E, and Lockheed Martin’s latest F-16 Block 70.

    As Business Standard reported earlier, both Saab and Lockheed Martin have kicked off high-stakes, high-voltage campaigns to meet the IAF’s needs. Both have already submitted what theIAF chief described on Thursday as “unsolicited bids” for building their fighters in India.

    Saab has linked its offer with assistance to the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) development programme, which is being spearheaded by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), a unit of Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

    Saab has offered to help ADA in quickly developing the Tejas Mark IA, which the IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha, said required four improvements — a better combat radar, more lethal weapons, dedicated electronic warfare capability and better maintainability. He said the upgraded Tejas should fly within three-four years.

    Saab has also offered to help ADA develop the planned next-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

    Meanwhile, Lockheed Martin is pushing an offer, made through the Indo-US Defence Trade and Technology Initiative (DTTI), to shift its F-16 production line from Fort Worth, Texas to India. A new, more advanced version of the F-16, designated the Block 70, has been offered to entice India.

    Air Headquarters insiders say there is little chance of India buying the F-16, a significantly advanced version of the Block 50/52 that the Pakistan Air Force operates. Since Washington is aware of this important bias, it remains to be seen whether the US seizes this opportunity to offer India the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, a state-of-the-art fifth-generation fighter.

    The IAF is keeping an open mind. On Thursday, Raha stated: “I’m sure whoever gives the best deal [will win]. All the aircraft are very capable, so it will depend upon who provides the best transfer of technology; and, of course, the price tag. It’s on the table; nothing is decided as yet.”
     
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    It will be neat once it gets public attention.
     
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    @vstol jockey
    Correct me if I am wrong
    1. LCA program review post airforce day is suppose to happen or scheduled but not yet done.
    2. There is no formal RFI issued as of today what newspaper are claiming.
    The winner will be the one using an Indian Engine i.e Saffranised Kaveri and weapons systems under MII projects.

    What I can quote as per whom I had talked is a simple thing that follow up communication to multiple offers are going on just like always to find about the unsolicited offers. The Russian talks refer to what I said earlier about the off the shelf purchase talks about PAKFA stage 1 jets.

    Lastly I know a probable date closer to Q4 for a much detailed such formal contest declaration. .. and beauty is my own friends in Saab deny such talks what newspaper claims.. unless of course they lie to me.. in their words, it's a clarification follow up request for the TOT part which they were suppose to come back before DM MP visit and meet some of the so called partners who agree to tech sharing. I said that here before ...


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    Good to hear about the formal plans. That would make things much better.. again I am saying the other competitors most probably won't be able to use Safranised Kaveri so the max chances are with your LSA. Rest I with all will.pray to God and wish you all the best to get it through. Bcz to me it's much better suitor to so-called what we started with LCA project way back 3 decades ago.. LSA is a step forward to achieve that dream completely.
     
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    IAF will be making an ASQR for the LWF first and after that only anything will move. In my communications I have stated very clearly that I am willing to go for a single line ASQR-The LWF must exceed everything that Rafale does. I have OPTED for this ASQR for LSA.
     
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