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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    PAK FA will have a superior airframe, superior engine, superior performance, superior everything. The aircraft will have an internal fuel range of 4500+ Km with the new engines. There is no comparison in any respect.

    The only thing that will be similar between PAK FA and Rafale F4 is the electronics if we go for the current Russian version.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I don't mind about SE: When first SE will come to India it will be a big disappointment.
     
  3. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The paper plane is better, but IAF does not believe that the real plane will be better.
     
  4. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    I don't think that's going to matter much as long as IAF gets their minimum numbers of Rafale.

    You are taking Parik's posts way to seriously. Paper plane or not, it's a national priority project. Rafale is simply an import while FGFA is a shared development project. It will obviously get higher priority. An MoD panel with IAF personnel provided positive feedback for the project recently, so they know what they are doing.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...s-top-panel/story-mPrhroM6ftEOSFldOtunnJ.html

    As I said, we can't guarantee superiority against China with Rafale, but we can with the FGFA.

    Comparing even PAK FA with Rafale is irrelevant anyway. We have a requirement for 10+ squadrons of MMRCA and we have a requirement for 10+ squadrons of FGFA. It will never become 5+15 or 15+5. They are not competing with each other in terms of requirements, they are only competing for resources, and this is only an assumption because the future of Rafale in India is still not clear.

    It is possible that IAF will buy 36 Rafale F4s after the first 72 F3Rs are inducted. There could even be a large scale MII program being planned for F4 instead of just buying in small tranches. Don't rule out anything, it's too early.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    The media is spreading reports from unnamed sources at the moment.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/in...-may-choose-swedish-gripens-or-f-16s-4823046/
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    And you believe it?
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    That depends on the credibility of the infos and if they can be confirmed otherwise. That's the same with named sources too, but if you make your statements public, you can be held to it, which makes named sources usually more credible.

    So take news or any kind of info with interest, but take unnamed sources with caution.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Moving F16 production to India makes a lot more sense the 240 million dollar Rafales
     
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    mugundhan 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    as expected.

    as you said few months back that government will agree for more rafale to satisfy iaf and sign g2g deal for single engine plane.
     
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    Sathya Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    So Reliance and Tata are getting pitted against each other.

    Hope Israel gets major pie in F16 .

    And USA just the airframe and engine .
     
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    Sathya Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    - please let us the numbers we are talking about.
    - budget approval for both aircrafts or 1 for the moment .
    - government backed agreement? Are we signing rest of the foundational
    agreements soon ?
    - IAF won't ask small numbers of its preferred aircraft right ? And in
    what version of that aircraft ?
    - when can we expect your next updates.?


    Oh will the next DM delay things to get a grip of what's happening?
     
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    PARIKRAMA Captain IDF NewBie

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    Not 1,not 2 but 3 ... YES, 3 MAKE IN INDIA

    in all 3 categories - Light, Medium and Heavy

    About Finance - "accommodating" budgeting have been made. All forces opex for "over needed" items have been pruned. So a good chunk is now available for capex

    3 big players will be finally there - 2 pvt sector and 1 PSU (to be listed soon)

    The squadron requirements internally are now over 6x with UCAVs, UAV and transport above this number.

    The SE fighter will be manning Western Border.
    The TE will be doing eastern and swing role.
    All low altitude ingress by TE only.
    All FW bases footprint getting changed for SE

    Point to note: SAAB has a total of 47% items which has direct and indirect control by USA enterprise. Clearances are difficult.

    FGFA need more matured items.. 2 sqds are expected to join RuAF by 2023 with improved item 30 churning out 110/180 Kn of individual thrust. Its still under progress to lighten the weight, decrease the IR and better the SFCs. Its expected that matured engine to emerge may take more time owing to these requirements which implies these 2 squadron may still not carry the matured item 30. So India wishes to delay this program further.

    As of now IAF has limited the requirements to just 3 sqds and maximum of 5 sqds. The pre conditions includes the learnings from MKI deal and hence will take time for negotiation + agreement.
     
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    Hi Parikrama, thank you for the update.. So i am guessing we shall get atleast 90 Rafales in Twin engine medium category?
     
  14. randomradio

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    So I was right all along. 2 large private sector companies will become part of the aerospace industry. :D
     
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    So which fighter is leading the se deal. More rafale or rafale mii. Are there any chances we can go for f16xl instead of blk70
     
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