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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Possible.

    For submarines, L&T has a huge lead. In fact MDL can compete with them.

    As for ships, it is anybody's game. Ships will have more competitors. But there are more types of ships available anyway.
     
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  2. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I think the SP will be decided by a panel of scientists, service personnel and industry experts. Something like that.

    Babus don't make any decisions. They are just paper pushers, even in the MoD.
     
  3. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    https://www.bloombergquint.com/busi...man-can-expedite-orders-for-private-companies

    Since the IAF already has the evaluation reports from the MMRCA and the fact that this might be the only tender with just 2 possible contenders, the SE might have the best chance to be fast tracked. Let's see what the new DM will do.
     
  4. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...oomed-says-iaf-vice-chief/article19635467.ece

    Another IAF official that confirms, that IAF is eager for the SE / SPM tender, contrary to the unnamed reports.
     
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  5. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Of course. Contrary to popular belief, it is the IAF which is keen on a single engine tender along with a twin engine requirement. And all the information I have points to the govt wanting to sign a contract before elections.

    Which means aircraft selection should be done by May 2018, contract negotiations must begin in June 2018 and end by Feb or March 2019 before the elections model code of conduct is enforced.

    The first 18 jets will be flyaway, followed by kits assembly and then full production.
     
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    Trump administration strongly supports sale of F-16, F-18 jets to India
    Thursday, September 07, 2017 By: ET Source Link: CLICK HERE
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    The Trump administration has told Congress that it "strongly supports" the sale of F-18 and F-16 fighter jets to India and asserted that the proposals have the potential to take Indo-US defence ties to the next level.

    Alice Wells, acting assistant secretary of state for the South and Central Asian Affairs, told a Congressional Subcommittee in a written submission that defence cooperation with India would be an important pillar in the bilateral relationship as it needs the country to be a net security provider in the Indo-Pacific region.

    In this context, the Trump administration has informed the Congress that it "strongly supports" the sale of F-18 and F-16 fighter proposals put forward by Boeing and Lockheed Martin respectively.

    These proposals have the potential to take India US defence relationship to the next level, the official said.

    "The reason why defence cooperation with India is so vital to US interests is because we need India to be a net security provider in the Indo-Pacific," Wells said

    She highlighted that the region serves as the fulcrum of global trade and commerce, with nearly half of the world's 90,000 commercial vessels, many sailing under the US flag, and two-thirds of traded oil travelling through the region.

    Wells is also scheduled to testify before the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific on "Maintaining US Influence in South Asia: The FY 2018 Budget".

    She said in her submission that the Indo-Asia Pacific region is also home to nearly half of the planet's population and some of the fastest growing economies on earth.

    "Working with like-minded partners, India has the strategic and economic potential to uphold the international order that has served so much of humanity over the past seven decades. The investments we make in our security partnership now will pay dividends for decades to come," she said.

    As fellow democracies, countering terrorism is the critical priority for both India and the United States, she asserted.

    "India is situated in a dangerous neighbourhood, where terrorist attacks have killed both Indians and Americans alike. Joint training and capacity building are essential to expanding our counter terrorism cooperation," she said, citing the State Department Anti-Terrorism Assistance (ATA) programme in which more than 1,100 Indian security personnel have received training from the US since 2009.

    Wells said India is among America's most important strategic partners in the Indo-Pacific region.

    "In the words of President Trump, the relationship between India and the United States has never been stronger, has never been better," she said in the testimony.

    "The President's first meeting with Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi in June set a positive tone and ambitious agenda for strengthening bilateral ties, particularly in the areas of defence, energy and trade," she added.

    Talking about the trade between the US and India in her written submission, Wells said the economic relationship has largely been on a positive trajectory and America needs to do more to balance the trade deficit between the two countries, which totalled nearly USD 30 billion last year.

    "We are working closely with USTR and the Commerce Department to address the concerns of the US business community regarding India, including tariff and non-tariff barriers, subsidies, localisation policies, restrictions on investment, and intellectual property concerns that limit market access and impede US exporters and businesses from entering the Indian market," Wells said.

    "Our bilateral trade has more than doubled in the last decade from USD 45 billion in 2006 to more than USD 114 billion in 2016. US exports to India support more than 260,000 American jobs across all 50 states," she said.

    Last year alone, investment from Indian companies supported more than 52,000 jobs in the US, she added.

    She said the Trump administration is committed to ensure that the trade relationship with India is fair and reciprocal, and continue to press India to further open its markets and create a level-playing field for US companies.
    http://www.defencenews.in/article/T...ports-sale-of-F-16,-F-18-jets-to-India-303778
     
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  7. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...sector-strategic-partners-117090800051_1.html
     
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    F-16 Block 70 would be the best choice for India both in terms of political and military support by the US. It would be a big boost for India.
     
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    Good but Janab, we need Mangal Bazaar Item, not which is available in Super Store with International standard, since that's what our pocket will allow, after paying for Rafale, Super Sukhoi, Mig 29, MK2 upgrade, LCA MK1, LCH, Awaac, Transport, Airbase modernization, Akash, Barak, Salary, Pensions etc.

    Only Trump's Uncle (Chacha) can help us.
     
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    APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) AESA for the F-16

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    5th Generation Fighter Radar Capability for the F-16
    The APG-83 is an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) fire control radar. Building on Northrop Grumman’s 40-year legacy producing radars for the F-16, it integrates within the aircraft's current structural, power and cooling constraints without Group A aircraft modification. The capabilities of this advanced AESA are derived from Northrop Grumman’s family of highly successful 5th generation fighter AESA radars, the F-22’s APG-77 and F-35’s APG-81.


    Why Upgrade Now?
    Today's battlespace becomes more challenging and dangerous every day. Technology is rapidly becoming more sophisticated and so is the threat. To counter these more sophisticated threats, the world's newest fighter aircraft are being equipped with AESA Radars. The greater bandwidth, speed, and agility of AESA radars enables fighter aircraft to detect, track, and identify a greater numbers of targets, faster and at longer ranges and to operate in hostile electronic environments. The APG-83 AESA provides the following capability enhancements over legacy mechanically scanned APG-66 & APG-68 radars to ensure F-16s remain operationally viable and sustainable for decades to come:

    • Autonomous, all-environment stand-off precision targeting
      • BIG SAR wide area high-res maps
      • High quality, coordinate generation
    • Greater target detection and tracking range
      • Faster search and target acquisition
      • Smaller target detection
      • Multi-target tracking
      • Robust electronic protection (A/A and A/G)
    • Enhanced combat ID
    • Interleaved mode operations for greater situational awareness
    • Maritime modes
    • 3-5X greater reliability and availability


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    The APG-83 is available today!

    Production is underway for global F-16 upgrade programs, including the United States Air Force.
     
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  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    And that again shows, why the Block 70 is inferior to the Block 60, that was offered in MMRCA.
    The Block 70 is just an upgrade standard from LM, for F16 B52 customers. So if they decide to upgrade from pulse doppler radars and older avionics, to newer once, the B70 is available!

    During MMRCA on the other hand, LM offered the best F16 they had, which is the B60, developed for the UAE requirements and beyond the usual OEM standard!

    - upgraded engine with more thrust
    - AESA radar with terrain following and additional A2G modes
    - IRST
    - state of the art EW capabilities

    Is LM focusing on being L1 now, with a cheaper version, or is it just the only way to divert the production line, to keep selling cost-effective upgrades to the few B52 operators?
    Either way, it's technically far below the MMRCA standard and far behind Gripen E in terms of avionics and EW as well.
     
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  13. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    One day Trappier said, we are not American, we have to make good planes to be able to sell them
     
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  14. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Actually you make good planes for French forces, while UAE or India requires better.
    But yes, the F16 B70 is average at best and would require a lot of customizations to make it suitable to Indian standards.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    The only one which can make better is Dassault.
     

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