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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    145-150 million USD will be the claimed cost of 1 F16 BLK70I , which will soon be propagated, by LM and certain sections of GOI. This will include the cost of building the aircraft, all its sensors, complete weapons package[including integration of European and Israeli missiles, but not India at the moment ], initial training and initial service contract for 1 year.Also Spare Engines, spare AESA radars and integration of a "under development targeting pod " in Israel.

    This would not include the "Associated Cost" , "Infrastructure Costs" , "Cost of access to few technologies ", "Long term performance based service contract [7 years]" and cost of establishing a "Final Assembly Line" in India. These costs will be tried to hide by GoI , and will be signed separately. These costs which will be hidden constitutes nearly 40% of the Rafale deal.

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    True, F-16 Block-60 was heavily customised as per UAEAF requirements and was also fully funded up to the tune of $3 Billion by United Arab Emirates Government which also brought got them exclusive export Royalties if it were ever exported to another customer. Thus if the requirement of IAF is lower cost, then, India could choose the V configuration, basically devised from the South Korean Upgrade package and that's what LM is pushing to its global customer to increase the commonality and interoperability of F-16 fleets.

    But if the relationship sweetened in future with the US, there is big chance that various avionics and technology will get its way to the F-16 developed for the F-35. The decission between F-16 and SAAB Gripen could also be factored with the decision makers, how and whether they want India to play more bigger and active role globally in future. Or whether India like to become the part of the Global service and supplier chains of the US defence company like LM in future, in line with the Make In India policy and India as Global Aviation service and MRO Hub.
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    For those who say F-16 are welcome .... This is the fear the rest of us is having to why we don't trust the US

    US approves $3.8b arms sales to Bahrain
    The deal includes 19 F-16V jets, upgrades, missiles and patrol boats

    Washington: The US State Department has approved arms sales packages worth more than $3.8 billion to Bahrain including F-16 jets, upgrades, missiles and patrol boats, the Pentagon said on Friday.

    The proposed sales include 19 F-16V jets made by Lockheed Martin Corp which could have a value of up to $2.7 billion, the Pentagon said.

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    Other potential sales approved Friday include two 35 metre (114 feet) patrol boats with machine guns, 221 anti-tank missiles made by Raytheon Co and $1.8 billion worth of upgrades to Bahrain’s existing fleet of F-16 jets, the Pentagon said in separate statements.

    In May, US President Donald Trump said Washington’s relations with Bahrain would improve, after meeting with the king of the Gulf Arab state during a visit to Saudi Arabia.

    However, in June US Senator Bob Corker, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he would block arms sales to members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, including Bahrain, until they made progress in resolving a simmering dispute with Qatar.

    But a US official, who spoke on condition of anonymity earlier on Friday, said the proposed sales were cleared by the Senate Foreign Relations and House Foreign Affairs Committees through the regular “tiered review process” which precedes this formal notification.

    The US official also said the United States has regular discussions with Bahrain on human rights and political reform and continues to urge its government to pursue efforts that will enhance regional security.

    http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/bahrain/us-approves-3-8b-arms-sales-to-bahrain-1.2087415
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    What guarantees that this wouldn't happen to India?... all it takes one joker to possible stop the sale
     
  4. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Absolutely no guarantee. Same for Gripen , which has 33% of parts by Value controlled by UK , and Engine and other important parts by USA. Both options are "No Options" from the beginning. But the problem is, IAF cannot keep flying the Migs. And thanks to the excellent world beater HAL , LCA is just not a solution now [or even in next 5 years].

    For me personally, I would love our pilots flying F16 block70I against Block 52 , rather than still flying Mig21 against the block 52.
     
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    sunstersun Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    All I see is the F-16 40 years after introduction, still sells and still has export potential. Which is incredible.

    That said, people are being to paranoid about this. France halted sales to Russia before.

    India and USA have moved into a relationship that have many similar goals and few differences when it comes to foreign policy. Also, if the block 70 has problems because of USA relations, why would the c-17 or c-130 or p-8i or apache not have similar problems.
     
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    MiG 21 ??? why is it convenient to forget that there are other frames such as the MiG29, Mirage and the Big One Su30 ??

    I vote for neither SE frames and proceed with the LCA
     
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    NO ONE is buying F16s as of now and if they are it is for SECOND HAND STOCK and as per the article, Bahrain are going in for upgrades of existing older frames !!! ... Only India sorry to say is the scape goat, is looking for new frames!

    The C17 and C130 are force multipliers and the P-8i surveillance with offensive weapons systems and of course we all know the Apache, already some subsystems are removed from all of them due to some restriction and incompatibility BUT STILL none of them are in the lines of a Fighter!
     
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    woops, misread.
     
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    Nope. MoD won't do that. They will get caught anyway.
     
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    Such threats only work against small states, not countries like India.
     
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    IAF would rather do the opposite. Sadly, the LCA isn't up to snuff.
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Really ... so the Nuclear sanctions that hit us before ... that bought a Setback to our defence deals and modernization , was just a sneeze and didn't affect us?
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Because the Mig21 and Mig27 are still there in addition to them , and we need to replace them. 35 More su30mki to be delivered can in no way replace 11 squadrons of Migs and 3 squadrons of non Upgraded Jaguars.

    And LCA.... the less said the better. I am still looking for the FOC.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    This is what the present intentions are. And I wish that they fail in their intention.
     
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    BUT the MiG 27 nor the Jaguar will be used against the F16 !!! .. why take them into account? , only left is what i mention before and yes they are more than capacable
     
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