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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    There's too much media scrutiny in these big deals. The UPA will obviously have their people within the MoD who will release info on any wrongdoings.

    Rather, the SE vendors will be expected to match the Rafale deal anyway.
     
  2. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    then why dont u start working on Lca....saara din randi rona lga ke rakhna hai ...
     
  3. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    LCA was, is and will be a "Work in Progress" till HAL isn't made to fight for "its revenues".

    PS: Hm apna aukat pe aa jaaye to bahut se chutiye apne baap ka naam bhi bhul jaayenge.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    If that was enough to prevent the wrong doings, we wouldn't have been the state we are right now.
     
  5. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Still 35 Su30MKI cannot take the roles of 9 squadrons of Mig21 we have active today.

    As for LCA , it will take another 1 year to raise a "Training Squadron ". Forget about replacing the Migs.
     
  6. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    then stop talking about lca in every thread, in ur every comment ....
    kyun dusre ke baare be aisa bol rha hai jab tere ko apne ka nhi pta
     
  7. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    IAFs requirements are technical not on costs, the L1 requirement is set up by MoD.
    Also it's not about what technical config IAF is choosing, but what LM is offering!
    They offer the baseline B70 for low costs and licence production, but will have to offer IRST and EW capabilities at least optional, since that are technical requirements that must remain from the MMRCA.
    That is the marketing promise, but if you look at what that actually means, you will see that the maximum that can come later, is what the Gripen E already offers!

    - Singlescreen display
    - Advanced EW, with IR MAWS and LWR
    - advanced data link capabilities (although I don't belive that the US or the Swedish systems will be compatible to IAF)

    You simply can't make a stealth fighter out of the F16 and the avionics and sensors that could be added later, are already modern standard. Even the Mig 35 offers a better EW package than the F16 and that tells a lot!
    The question is of what? There is no prospect in becoming part of the F16 supply chain, when the numbers of operators / upgrade possibilities are reducing rapidly. Add the fact that all core techs will come from the US anyway and you have a production line for airframe parts, tires...
    The only benefit from LM, is the fact that they can divert production of other products to India, like we already see with Black Hawk, or S92 cabins.

    The Swedish offer is probably the opposite. More important techs of the fighter, more future prospect to be part of the supply chain for Gripen E. But probably with less other products that could be diverted to India, although that needs to be seen, since Saabs portfolio is pretty wide as well (weapons, naval vessels, radar / AWACS...).

    If the deal at the end is for example for 15 billion and you have a 50% offset clause. Do you want airframe production diverted to India worth 7.5 billions, or do you want GaN, EW, or avionics technology worth 7.5 billions?
     
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  8. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Or LCA, with the same British and US relations for subsystems. Not to mention Hawks, C17, C130, P8I... up to HTT40.
     
  9. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Not one comment by me is irrelevant to the topic of any thread.Else you are free to report.

    PS: Jiska jo aukat hota hai, hm usko usse zada Izzat nahi dete.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    I agree. The BAE still writes " Delivery of Knocked Down Kits to HAL" for the so called "HAWK MANUFACTURING BY HAL" in their press releases.
     
  11. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Of course they are used against Pakistan, because most IAF bases on the western borders still operate these fighters. You can't choose which fighter to engage either, since the radar only shows you a target on the display, not what fighter it is.
     
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    ashkum2278 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    The f-16 Block 60 sold to UAE was priced at 200 million a pop. Since India is looking for a cheaper alternative, hence the downgraded F-16 without IRST, under powered engine and less powerful AESA radar compared to AN/APG-80 is being offered. But INDIA has been offered all of the above as customization for additional cost. So it is entirely up-to India, we have been offered a base model at an affordable price, but we can have these included by paying extra.
     
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    What India desperately needs is to take either SAAB or Dassault as a co-developer for the LCA project. These circus monkeys at HAL/ADA with their Hollow ego's have taken the entire defense establishment and the people of this country for a ride. These stupid motor heads have taken up this project like a life time project. The saddest part is that they are not willing to accept the fact that they have limited technological expertise coupled with lack of proper test beds and development & supporting infrastructure. Their is no shame in asking for help in the greater interest of the nation. All these development requirements can be easily fast tracked through expert inputs from these aviation giants. SAAB is already pushing for full TOT along with source codes for AESA and EW systems even if we don't buy Gripen NG. Its high time now and GOI must take a stand and have the private sector also involved in the development process and have a definitve timeline for development of each component, System or subsystem. Failing to adhere to timelines given, should automatically invoke participation of these companies. Its time we stop this unaccounted monopoly of DPSU's and have a full proof back up plan for such contingencies............JAI HIND
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Says who? There is not a single official source that says IAF has downgraded it's technical requirements.
     
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    ashkum2278 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Correct me if i am wrong, the whole idea of not getting rafale in large numbers was because of them being way too expensive. Also going in for a single engine fighter in large numbers which could also fulfill the role of MMRCA was under taken as they would be cheaper or cost effective. In comparison the TE jet would be expensive considering the budgetary constraints. Hence we are looking at a light fighter which could also fulfill the role of medium category.
     

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