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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    There are two Arudhras. One is the IAF's EL/M 2084, the other is DRDO's. Weirdly enough both ended up with the same names.

    [​IMG]

    In the previous picture I posted, you will notice the DRDO emblem on the top left of the radar.

    Both are of a similar class.
     
  2. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    :lol:

    Uttam is competing with the 2052 directly.
     
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  3. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    For purposes other than nomenclature?
     
  4. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel REGISTERED

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    India has a policy now where we no longer name imports. It was done earlier, now we don't.

    Uttam is indigenous.

    Recently, there was a call by lobbyists to allow Uttam to compete with Saab and Elta for LCA's radar.
     
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  5. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Bahrain orders 19 F-16 Block 70

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a...rtment-approves-f-16v-sale-to-bahrain-441028/

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    US State Department approves F-16V sale to Bahrain
    The US State Department has approved the sale of 19 Lockheed Martin F-16V aircraft to Bahrain, offering a critical lifeline to the Falcon’s production line.

    The possible $2.78 billion sale would include 19 aircraft equipped with Northrop Grumman APG-83 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. Bahrain plans to integrate the new aircraft into their existing fleet of 20 Block 40 F-16s. The State Department's 8 September announcement also included a potential $1 billion contract with Lockheed Martin to upgrade Bahrain existing fleet of 20 Block 40 F-16 aircraft to the F-16V configuration, including AESA radar, navigation systems and F-16V simulators.

    The potential sale could save the dwindling F-16 line, which faces the risk of shuttering at the end of this year unless the company nabs enough foreign sales. The company made an aggressive pitch at the Paris air show this summer, with the announcement that Lockheed would partner with with Tata Advanced Systems on Block 70 F-16 production. However, Lockheed made clear it would only consummate that partnership if it wins the contract in India.

    Lockheed has planned to move F-16 production from its Ft. Worth, Texas facility, which has expanded to accommodate the growing F-35 Joint Strike Fighter line, to its location in Greenville, South Carolina. That move could leverage some commonality between the F-16 and Lockheed’s Greenville-based T-50 trainer, its bid for the US Air Force’s T-X competition. The Lockheed and Korea Aerospace Industries trainer inherits the basic shape, flight controls and wing from the F-16.

    Still, the Greenville facility would only perform Falcon production with Bahrain’s order in hand. Meanwhile, Lockheed is pursuing F-16 sales in Indonesia and Colombia, which could also sustain the line.
     
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  6. zebra7

    zebra7 Captain FULL MEMBER

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    LOL better keep quite than trying to prove NOTHING.

    For a starter a good HINT Targeting MMR is different than Survellance Radar. Read some thing on Radar's Band Ka, Ku, L, S and then discuss.

    Medium Combat Aircraft

    First, Uttam is indigenous.
    Second It has EL/M 2052 Backend Computer, but Indian Antenna, Algorithm is Indian. Now don't try to Prove that the Apple Laptop, with Macintosh installed is not Apple, rather Intel, Realtek, Asus etc.
    Third Relax and Enjoy.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog IDF NewBie

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    This is what we mean by your low quality rants.

    You accused Uttam of not being indigenous and asking us to prove it? Its your job to back your statements. If you are open enough to learn go find Aero india technical seminar or the subject. It explains our gradual progression of making a airborne AESA platform from long development cycle.

    Also, mods are not here to clean up your mess. Don't post too many posts without any substance.
     
  8. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    F-16 is a light combat aircraft (LCA) like other 4th gen aircraft the Gripen, JF-17.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    2.78 billion for 19 plane = 146 $million each. As Bahrein is already F16 equipped, we could suppose the support, trainind and weapon package is light.

    And some said that Rafale is costly.....
     
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  10. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Bahrain will get the most powerful radar outside the US.

    600km+ detection range on a fighter aircraft and that too 19 of them.

    Plus if they upgrade current fleet to Block 70 levels then they will have an extremely powerful air force.

    I think APG-83 gives the RBE2-AA a run for its money.

    $1 billion out of $2.78 is for upgrades on older 20 F-16

    So per unit cost is $93 million including weapons, maintainence contracts etc

    Flyaway cost of this semi 5th generation LCA may be around $70-80 mn or lower
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    WHERE HAVE YOU READ A 600 KM RANGE ON A FIGHTER AIRCRAFT. Even an Awacs probably can't !!! It's BS.

    Where have you read 1 billion on 2.79 to upgrade older F16? Source please (I think i will have to wait a while)

    According to Indian source, RBE2AESA has 40% more range that the radar proposed by US for Indian F16 bk 70. DO you think there are two different radars for bk70?
    One like a christmas tree for Bahrein, another poor for India?
     
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  12. Anish

    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    APG 68 has 290km radar range as on older F-16 Blk 50/52. Thats widely known.

    APG 80 developed for UAE F-60 has exactly double that range.

    APG 83 for F-16 has greater range than APG-80 apart from incorporating features of F-22 APG 77 and F-35 APG 81

    See in above post $1 billion to upgrade 20 older F-16's to Block 70 standard out of total of possible $2.78 billion.

    What the US fielded in time of MMRCA can be different than current APG 83
     
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    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    lol dude, why you are wasting your time with him, he is famous for his B.S
     
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    Anish Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    A comprehensive list of upgrades

    • 23x F-110-GE-129 engines (includes 3 spares);
    • 23x APG-83 Active Electronically Scanned Array Radars (includes 3 spares);
    • 23x Modular Mission Computers (includes 3 spares);
    • 23x Embedded Global Navigation Systems/LN260 EGI (includes 3 spares);
    • 23x Improved Programmable Display Generators (iPDGs) (includes 3 spares);
    • 40x LAU-129 launchers;
    • 25x AN/AAQ-33 SNIPER Pods;
    • 2x AIM-9X Sidewinder Missiles;
    • 2x AGM-88 High-speed Anti-Radiation Missiles (HARM);
    • 2x WGU-43 Guidance Control Unit (GBU) Guidance Control Unit (GCU) (for GBU-24 Paveway III);
    • 2x BSU-84 Air Foil Group (AFG) (for GBU-24 Paveway III);
    • 5x KMU-572 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Tailkits (for GBU-38 JDAM and GBU-54 Laser JDAM);
    • 2x GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs (SDB) Guided Test Vehicles (GTV);
    • 2x AGM-84 Harpoon Exercise Missiles;
    • 3x MAU-210 ECCG (for GBU-50 Enhanced Paveway II);
    • 3x BLU-109 Inert Bomb Bodies;
    • 4x MK-82/BLU-111 Inert Bomb Bodies; and
    • 2x GMU-152 or FMU-139 Fuzes


    This sale also includes:

    • 1x Joint Mission Planning System,
    • 1x F-16V simulator,
    • 20x AN/ALQ-211 AIDEWS Systems,
    • 1x avionics level test station,
    • 6x DB-110 Advanced Reconnaissance Systems,
    • 2x LAU-118A Launchers,
    • 45x AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS Radio or equivalent,
    • 23x Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) systems or equivalent;
    • 23x cryptographic appliques;
    • 2x CATM-9L/M,
    • 2x AIM-120C-7 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missile (AMRAAM) Captive Air Training Missiles (CATM),
    • 3x MXU-651 AFG (for GBU-50 Enhanced Paveway II),
    • 4x DSU-38 Precision Laser Guidance sets (PLGS) (for GBU-54 Laser JDAM),
    • 4x AGM-154 Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW) Captive Flight Vehicles (CFV),
    • 3x MK-84/BLU-117 Inert Bomb Bodies,
    • 2x FMU-152 D-1 Inert Fuzes,
    • 3x BRU-57 Bomb Racks,
    • 2x BRU-61 Bomb Racks for SDB,
    • 2x ADU-890 SDB adapter cable for CMBRE,
    • 2x ADU-891 AMRAAM/AIM-9X adapter cable for CMBRE
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    To be fair though, when a specific mod sets the example in the last few pages, with posting pics of mock up radars and pointing to Israeli land based radars, that we produce as part of a JV, the quality is already at a low point. :rolleyes2:

    The fact of the matter however is, we don't have a successful fighter radar developed yet, we are depended on foreign know how (see zebra7's post wrt Uttam) in the radar developments and that's why any know how of GaN radar technology would also be a benefit for us now, to make another leap in this field, not to mention the benefits for the EW developments as well. And there is only one source in this tender, that is ready to share radar and EW technology!
     

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