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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    RBE2 was developped from the beginning with a technologicaly ready PESA antenna, and after an AESA antenna. It's why it's so easy to change from a PESA to an AESA antenna.
    All the software of the PESA are fully used on AESA. That means that 15 years of software developpement and retex improvements are used in the actual RBE2AESA. It's a main advantage versus all non US radars.
     
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    Lockheed’s Diverterless Supersonic Intake F-16 testbed.

    During the mid-1990’s, Lockheed modified the forward structure of a block 30 Viper in an attempt to prove technologies that would be part of the looming Joint Strike Fighter tender.

    However, even the latest F-16V without DSI.

    http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/features/2014/f16-then-and-now.html
    F-16V, or Viper, represents the next step in the evolution of the F-16. With new enhancements, including an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, an upgraded mission computer and architecture, and improvements to the cockpit, the F-16V configuration is an innovative solution for new jets and affordable retrofits for most earlier-model F-16s.

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    Metrology IDF NewBie

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    Well, suspect prices are likely to decrease rapidly with the expanding use of GaN components in non-military applications. We'll see.

    Besides, a radar range increase is pretty neat since the covered air volume should increase much faster. And since the plane itself is so expensive it wouldn't have to improve survivability by very much to be justifiable.
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Yes it's justifiable from an absolute point of view but not from a relative point of view if you compare with other developments. In France GaN antenna are ready, but the decrease in price of GaN components is slower than anticipated, in fact there is very few non military applications needing GaN components.
     
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    Fat Bandit IDF NewBie

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    I still have doubts about this SE fighter program. I wonder why a combination of Tejas and Rafale would not have sufficed.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Three reasons,
    1. Failure of MMRCA because of hard negotiations tactics by Dassualt.
    2. Perception of failure of LCA program.
    3. This government want a major deal under Make in India and possible Foreign policy influence with F-16 carrot.
    MoD and IAF agreed a middle ground of limited LCAs and a new fighter import program.
     
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    Fat Bandit IDF NewBie

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    4. The new govt's anxiety to get procurement going according to its own thinking.(EDIT: your 3rd point basically)

    Is a Gripen/f-16 MII deal really going to be THAT cheap compared to a rafale?

    Anyway its just painful to watch.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Can't blame them here honestly. In the Antony era there was zero thinking and decisions.

    No it will not.
     
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    Fat Bandit IDF NewBie

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    I hope we cancel this SE tender and boost tejas numbers while pursuing a Rafale MII for 200 odd planes. Unlikely but F-16 is the last thing I want for IAF
     
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    It would be a good idea for people in the Indian government to take a look at what is happening to Bombardier before they decide to invite the American MIC to set up shop here.
     
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    The issue is accusations made that Bombardier was given hundreds of millions of launch aid and a 2.5 billion equity infusion by the government of Quebec and it's using that government assistance to sell the CSeries below cost. No duties will be final until a ruling by the ITC in 2018 and there's no assurance Boeing would win since it doesn't sell a competing product. Note that Embraer (Brazil) also has a complaint about the CSeries in the WTO which established a panel last Friday.
     
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    As 8 F16 blk 52 were for $700 million for pakistan ................... thats 88 million per a/c

    so F16 blk 70 with F35 components & much improved engine will surely cost 50% more .............132 million .............well it has to be in the same bracket of rafale if not better ................ further it has to be a notch better than gripen
    now add the weapon package per a/c .............. say at least 68 million ...................200 million
    other ground + training extra extra per a/c..............say at least 50 million ...................250 million
    for 100++ a/c infra for assembly supply chain etc cost per a/c..............say at least 50 million ...................300 million

    & people call rafale COSTLY !!! ......................(thats just @ 216 million(?) per a/c )

    adding 100 rafale will be far cheaper than the 1st 36 rafale
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    What they are doing with Bombardier is correct. The same thing has been done by many countries around the world when it comes to cheap Chinese steel.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrap...s-benefit-from-subsidized-loans/#53faaec41e7a

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/18/us-affirms-finding-of-china-steel-plate-dumping-subsidies.html

    The Canadian govt has subsidized Bombardier to the point where the cost price of the aircraft is lower than its production value. That's absolutely ridiculous. You can't get your govt to subsidize your exports, it goes against all WTO rules.
     

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