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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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    mirage 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    General Dynamics F-16XL

    The General Dynamics F-16XL is a derivative of the F-16 Fighting Falcon, with a cranked-arrow delta wing. It was originally conceived as a technology demonstrator, later entered in the United States Air Force's (USAF) Enhanced Tactical Fighter (ETF) competition but lost to the F-15E Strike Eagle. Several years after the prototypes were shelved, they were turned over to NASA for additional aeronautical research. Both aircraft are currently stored at Edwards AFB.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16XL

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    I think Girpen is the top contender for light medium fighter jet,with latest technology,make in India policies with best Indian partner companies,Girpen do qualify for the Indian armed forces.
     
  4. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Too small country to build cutting edge technology. Assuming you want cutting edge technology. Planes built now should be designed to power lasers in side of 10 years.

    September 19, 2017: Bahrain has ordered another 22 F-16V jet fighters along with upgrades of their existing F-16s to the F-16V standard. This deal involves a lot of additional equipment, training and tech support for all the Bahrani F-16s and will cost a total of $3.86 billion. The F-16V Block 70 is similar to the F-16E Block 60 “Desert Eagle” the UAE (United Arab Emirates) next door has been using since 2005.

    Bahrain has been using F-16s since 1990 and has already upgraded them with items like targeting pods and the ability to deliver smart bombs like JDAM (GPS). Originally their F-16s were mainly used for air defense but ones like the F-16E and the Israeli F-16I were obviously more effective and the way to go.

    The F-16 can also function as a bomber and ground attack aircraft because it can carry four tons of bombs. In air-to-air combat, the F-16 has shot down 69 aircraft so far, without losing anything to enemy warplanes. It was originally designed as a cheaper alternative to the heavier F-15.

    Until now the two most advanced versions of the F-16 have been in use by foreign air forces. The UAE has 80 F-16Es which are optimized for air combat. It is a 22 ton aircraft based on the Block 52 model, but with an AESA (phased array) radar and lots of other additional goodies. The Desert Eagle has undergone upgrades and is similar to what the F-16V will be.

    The most advanced F-16 is still the Israeli F-16I, which is optimized for bombing. It's a 24 ton, two seat aircraft, and is probably the most capable F-16 model in service. It is also a modified version of the Block 52, equipped with a more advanced radar (the APG-68X) and the ability to carry Israeli weapons like the Python 4 air-to-air missile and the Popeye 2 air-to-surface missile. Initially costing $45 million each the F-16I has an excellent navigation system, which allows it to fly on the deck (a few hundred feet from the ground), without working the pilot to death. The aircraft can do this at night or in any weather. The F-16I can carry enough fuel to hit targets 1,600 kilometers away (meaning Iran is within range). The aircraft uses the latest short and long range air-to-air missiles, as well as smart bombs. Electronic countermeasures are carried, as is a powerful computer system, which records the details of each sortie in great detail. This is a big help for training. The F-16I is basically optimized to deliver smart bombs anywhere, despite dense air defenses. This further increases Israel's military power versus its neighbors. Israel has received 102 new F-16I fighter-bombers already and added to this are another 125 older F-16s upgraded to the F-16I standard.

    The U.S. F-16 is one of the most modified jet fighters in service. While most are still called the F-16C, there are actually six major mods, identified by block number (32, 40, 42, 50, 52, 60), plus the Israeli F-16I. Another special version (the Block 60), for the UAE is called the F-16E. The F-16D is a two seat trainer version of F-16Cs. The various block mods included a large variety of new components (five engines, four sets of avionics, five generations of electronic warfare gear, five radars and many other mechanical, software, cockpit and electrical mods.) The F-16 is the most numerous post-Cold War jet fighter, with over 4,500 built and production nearly ending in 2016. During The Cold War, Russia built over 10,000 MiG-21s, and the U.S over 5,000 F-4s, but since then warplane has plummeted about 90 percent, except for models like the F-16 which remained popular enough to keep the production lines going for another 25 years and then some because there was always a new variant and demand for it

    $175 million
     
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    NO.
    A greek Mirage 2000 shot down a Turkish F16.
     
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    Within limited scopes even a small country can compete. It's also a matter of different technological choices and paradigms. For instance Sweden fields one of the most stealthy submarines on the planet. The US has no comparable unit.

    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...h-submarines-are-so-lethal-they-sank-us-18383

    As for fighters Sweden had tactical fighter links back in the 80s on the Viggen. Neither US nor Sovjet had anything like that in those days.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_37_Viggen
     
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    Meanwhile Tejas has performed vertical Charlie..
     
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    Admiral Rickover, very famous among USN, said about the french developpment of submarine deterrence that it would be impossible for a so small country than France (ie : that was so hard for USA, so nearly impossible for a small country with people eating cheese and drinking wine )... But we did it !
    US people are not specially clever. They just have more money. But if you have a well done brain and a minimum of money you can do everything.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://www.janes.com/article/74696/...duction-schedule-embraer-s-manufacturing-role
     
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    Doubt if French Subs are a deterrence to any one. France only has 10 subs
     
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    How to Sink a U.S. Navy Carrier: China Turns to France For Ideas
    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-sink-us-navy-carrier-china-turns-france-ideas-14605
    :facepalm::rofl::rofl::France:

    Safir (in fact it was Saphir but they made a mistake in the article) was a 30 years old submarine :achmed:
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    It's not the problem. With 6 less people and 10 less budget we were able to match the great USA in a highly sensible technology.
    A SSBN is probably the highest complexity object made by the human hands. And even the french cheese eater did the job...
     
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    The question about the selling price is why there have been complaints and investigations. Also note that the plane is two years late and 2 billion over budget and that should negatively affect the offered price. The Commerce Department thought there was enough evidence to propose duties, but that isn't final and could be changed or even dropped.

    As for Boeing, the thought it that they want to prevent a repeat of Airbus which used truly enormous government subsidies to take a 50%+ chunk of the passenger aircraft market starting in the 90s. You can understand their sensitivities.
     
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    In all fairness, due to joint training both France and the UK would be the most likely to successfully prosecute an attack. Decades of familiarity count for a lot. Likewise, UK or US submarines would be the most likely to "sink" Charles de Gaulle.
     
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    AND OF COURSE BOEING NEVER RECEIVED MONEY FROM US Govt..... Of course ! :fighting1:
     

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