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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Because MMRCA was cancelled and implementing the SPM into the defence policy was delayed. The government made it official only by the end of may, we then saw the JVs of Tata and LM, as well as Saab and Adani (although this was not required by the SPM as far as we know so far) and now see the next step, to team up with other industry partners. If the government doesn't delay the RFI too much, we should see even faster progress.
     
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    Ya this is kinda confusing. In my opinion they should have chosen Indian company for SPM first (for that whatever the criteria they have in their mind) and then go for global partner. I mean this would make the whole procedure a lot simpler.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The original plan was to make both selections simultaneously, but I agree, I would have chosen the SP first too. However, I guess (but that can be proven over time only), that the GoI might force JVs to see even inexperienced Indian companies getting the necessary know how first. Adani for example can show off 2 JV partners and at least 3 different products in the aviation field now. If they didn't had done it before, what would be their base to compete against Tata?
    So we still might see a separate SP selection, based on the capabilities and know how each contender can show, but as I said, that needs to be seen.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://www.janes.com/article/75517/saab-adani-may-expand-jv-scope
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...07/korean-f-16s-upgraded-carry-israeli-weapon
     
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    Completely biased view.

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    2nd a mishap on a twin engine class A costs 1M$... Not a crash.

    Oh and REAL numbers are, depending on engine, 0.8 to 2 class A mishap for F-16 vs 0.2 to o.5 /100 000hours flight for F-15 According to te very website cited. Author simply did not take into account flight hours (dishonest) neither type of engine (same)... I bet it is on F-16.net?
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://aviationweek.com/dubai-air-show-2017/gripen-returns-dubai-after-12-year-absence
     
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    India should cancel the Rafale at 270 million each and go for the new F16 which would be built in India.
     
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    Do you really think LM will be ready to share critical technologies with its Indian partner?

    No? Than it will be a bad decision...

    Anyways, 270 million is package cost whereas Flyaway cost of Rafale DH will be ~ $94mn and Rafale EH will be ~ $91mn. Apart from this flyaway cost of f-16 will be more than $75mn.
     
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    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Been a month + 10 days....where's the RFI? Where's the tender? :LMAO:

    Oops, I forget to consider IST....so expect something by Feb 2018 :angel:
     
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    The government is also thinking of doing away with the plans to build a single-engine fighter aircraft programme in favour of the light combat aircraft Tejas which is still in the evolution stage in terms of technology and capabilities.

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...us-variant-under-make-in-india/1/1091365.html

    Also validates what I've been saying, that the SEFs were proposed as a replacement for Tejas Mk-2 and not under the medium-class requirement. IAF wants only one fighter for each class:

    Light - single engined fighter - Tejas
    Medium - twin engined fighter - Rafale (to be replaced by AMCA)
    Heavy - twin engined fighter - Su-30MKI (to be replaced by FGFA)

    While the Mirage-2000I/TI, Mig-29UPG, Jaguar DARIN III will be used in supporting roles until they're retired.

    Both Mirage-2000 and Jaguar roles would be taken over by AMCA (when it comes online) once those jets are retired and will be on the forefront with FGFA, with the Rafales and Su-30MKI (taking up the Mig-29 roles especially protection for HVTs) bringing up the second line of defence while being relegated to a supporting role, from then on.
     
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