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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    LSA will put us on the aerospace map big time. If the Kaveri engine ends up being certified, that will put us on the same level as the Europeans, more than the Europeans in fact.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Congrats for getting investors.
    What will be the improved Kaveri engine numbers ?
    Will it be enough for LSA? Can it super cruise ?
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    @xXx @vstol_jockey @Picdelamirand-oil Any data on that 110 kN M88 engine? If there is any, I'd start thinking about redesigning my FLX...
     
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    It is old fun story with Novi rafale time and souvenir.

    The source come from a old pdf (2007)

    http://www.network54.com/Search/vie...on+M88s+developements...?term=200T&page=46726

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/snecmas-korea-discuss-m88-for-ktx-ii-23195/

    may be somewhere in snecma lab, they have the M88 110KN, but no customer request for export or ADA needs. like snecma vulcain 3 for ariane 5 with 3,5t more payload, the actual vulcain 2 is enougth with payload of 21t leo, 10,7t gto, no needs.
     
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    Officially Safranised Kaveri going into MK1A
    French company Snecma (Safran)( a Dassault partner along with Thales) has proposed to invest Euro one billion in the Kaveri Gas Turbine Engine to be fitted in the LCA MK1A. Safran has developed the M88 engine that powers the Rafale as well as the Shakti engine for Indian advanced light helicopters (ALH) ‘Dhruv’.
    http://indiandefence.com/threads/rafale-deal-signed.56201/page-16

    LWF will have a similar engine option..

    AMCA should get uprated engines as well.

    @vstol jockey
    Looks like all things are coming in your favour..
     
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    PARIKRAMA Angel or Devil? Staff Member ADMINISTRATOR

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    one thing is sure, LM is not going to give up its MII plans easily.
     
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    Very exciting times for India's 3 military branches. Thank Laxmi for BJP.

    One thing I do not like one bit is this "we have a vested interest to sell the F16 to the rest of the world"...please, the Tejas should be exported, not the F16. India must put its best efforts behind the Tejas.
     
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    @PARIKRAMA once again, so detailed and so informative. Your posts are a joy to read here and on PDF. Thank you!
     
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    Indian Navy is already blazing . time for the Army and air force to come of age.
     
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    The American strategy with the F-16 is that of a cuckoo bird. If they lay their F-16 egg in India's industrial nest, it'll starve the Tejas for both domestic and foreign commands, as India will be in a position where they'll have to offer both the F-16 and the Tejas to prospective buyers.

    Also keep in mind that when LockMart says they want to export the F-16 from India, they want to export the F-16 from India. They don't want India to export F-16; India won't get control of the line, it'll still remain entirely owned by Lockheed, so it's not like India could buy the F-16 just to sit on it and let it die. It's all carefully designed to make sure that the Tejas will die and the F-16 will live.
     
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    Guys, don't forget that the Mig-35 is cheaper than the F-16 and Gripen now.

    @vstol jockey
     
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    As part of its ongoing efforts at military modernization, India is in pursuit of a single-engine fighter jet to be built domestically, but based on foreign designs, reflecting Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s "Make in India" initiative.

    Last month, India and France signed a $8.7 billion contract for the delivery of 36 French-made Rafale fighter jets. These will make up the eighth type of aircraft in India’s fleet, alongside its Sukhoi-30MKI, Jaguar, Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), Mirage 2000, MiG-29, MiG-27, and MiG-21 jets. © AP PHOTO/ TSERING TOPGYAL India to Start Production of Its Tejas Mark 1A Fighter Jet by 2021 But New Delhi wants to add a ninth fighter type to its fleet, and it has sent invitations to overseas defense firms. "This is very much on the table and I’m sure whoever gives the best deal [will win.] All the aircraft are very capable, so it will depend upon who provides the best transfer of technology; and, of course, the price tag. It’s on the table; nothing is decided as yet," Indian Air Force (IAF) chief Arup Raha said, according to the Diplomat. "This will not be just licensed manufacture. It will be proper transfer of technology. Also, India will become a hub for manufacturing, as well as maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) for other air forces in the region." Two firms seem to be under top consideration.


    India Expedites Its Space Centric Warfare Program "If it is single-engine fighter, there are mainly two: Lockheed Martin and Saab," said Muthumanikam Matheswaran, retired IAF Air Marshal, according to Defense News. A decision will be made based on a variety of factors. "It would also be reasonable to infer that India is mulling a Government-to-Government (G2G) deal," said Amit Cowshish, a former financial advisor with the Indian Ministry of Defense, according to Defense News. "Selection will, of course, be based on trials and price offered by the manufacturers from these countries." Ultimately, the new aircraft will be used to replace the aging MiGs. © AFP 2016/ AAMIR QURESHI Indian Border Security Forces Takes to the Skies to Counter Terror The technology used to build the new aircraft could, in theory, be applied to other projects. "A long-term partnership that involves large production in India and addresses exports jointly will result in significant technology flow," Matheswaran added. "The partnership should be mandated such that maximum advantage is gained for Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) development." Separately, the IAF is in talks with Saab to develop an upgraded variant of the Tejas LCA. "We should be able to start production of this aircraft by 2020-21; and in another five-seven years, we’ll have 80 Tejas Mark 1A fighters," Raha said.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/asia/201610121046277553-india-single-engine-aircraft-project/
     

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