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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. BMD

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    Kekekekeke....

    http://www.investors.com/news/lockheeds-f-16-is-likely-forerunner-for-indias-next-fighter-jet-order/

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    Lockheed's F-16 Is Likely Frontrunner For India's Next Fighter Order

    Lockheed Martin (LMT) lost the first round of India's fighter jet competition to France's Dassault, but its F-16 is likely in India's cross hairs as New Delhi starts another acquisition program.

    India is looking to buy single-engine fighters to replace some of its roughly 900 fighters, mostly Russian-built aircraft nearing the end of their service lives. The single-engine jets will replace Russian MiG 21 and MiG 27 aircraft.



    "Some overseas participants" were invited to participle in the program, according to a Ministry of Defense official cited by Defense News Wednesday.

    Saab's Gripen E is also expected to be in the running too, along with a Russian offering.

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    Lockheed Martin shares closed up 0.4% at 232.99 on the stock market today. The stock has fallen sharply since peaking on Aug. 15, with Lockheed undercutting its 200-day line last week.

    Last month, India signed a deal worth nearly $9 billion for 36 Rafale fighter jets, rather than picking Boeing's F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed's F-16 or BAE's Eurofighter.

    Analysts predicted that India would launch another acquisition, likely within the year, because the deal was too small to make a dent in India's replacement needs.

    Lockheed has offered attractive incentives to New Delhi. In August, Lockheed said it would move its F-16 manufacturing to India. During U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter's visit to India in April, he reportedly pushed for a Boeing (BA) or Lockheed buy.

    Boeing shares edged up 0.2% Thursday.
     
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    So many aircraft were front runners before MMRCA shortlist was announced.
     
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    F-16 makes a lot of sense for India. Cheap enough for them and huge support in terms of weapons varieties, e.g. Paveways, JDAMs, LJDAMs, JSOW/JSOW-ER, JASSM/JASSM-ER, SDBs, SDB IIs, JAGM, MALD, MALD-J, MASSM in future too probably, AARGM, potentially AARGM-ER at a future date too. There's a whole world of capabilities there.

    Now, in my opinion, an F-16 with all the above, beats a Rafale, or a Gripen for multi-role, even if the aircraft itself is a little worse. Lack of Meteor is perhaps the one weakness, but that could be integrated.
     
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    The F-16 is useless against upcoming threats. It won't be purchased.

    We can put better stuff than the weapons you mentioned on the Rafale and Gripen.
     
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    We are better off without any new Single Engine Frame!!!! its ridicules
     
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    It can't be helped, we need it because our economy didn't grow for 4 years.
     
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    Like what? What will you use instead of the following for SEAD.

    AARGM/AARGM-ER
    MALD/MALD-J/MASSM


    I also don't see it as that useless. It already has a better radar than RBE2-AA and a better array of weapons and a decent EW system, which could potentially be upgraded with the likes of NGJ. There's also a significant number of capability items Rafale/Gripen E simply don't have, like MALDs and AARGM. And right now India can't afford the Rafale or Gripen E, it's all about money.
     
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    Is that still our fault, or are you ready to take responsibility yet?
     
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    Sorry how is linking the economy to buying a single engine aircraft???
     
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    We will use the KH-15, DRDO ARM, SCALP and Nirbhay.

    There are Israeli equivalents to the MALD. Plus the American one can always be purchased and integrated.

    The Gripen has sneaked up on Typhoons using stealth during exercises. The F-16 is incapable of that.

    Gripen-E is cheap. Don't forget we are considering LCC, not upfront costs.
     
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    That's how the demand for the single engine came. We can't afford replacing all our jets one on one with Rafale, as was the earlier plan. Otherwise, the MMRCA plan was massive, with parallel inductions from Indian and French lines, similar to the MKI. Now the MII plan stretches out the same numbers over a much longer period of time. And to make the numbers up in the meantime, we will induct a cheaper jet.

    Apart from the capital budget, the Rafales would have gobbled up the revenue budget also. Not to mention, the IN requirement.

    Don't forget that both the F-16 E/F and Rafale are of similar weight class, but different capabilities at similar procurement price.
     
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    DRDO ARM is a basic passive homing system, which is easily duped by radar shutdown or by angle reflectors and lower range than AARGM and way less than AARGM-ER.

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    Really, what is the Israeli equivalent to MALD/MALD-J/MASSM?

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    SDBs that are carried in quad packs.

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    The Gripen E has never flown against a Typhoon and the Gripen C certainly can't manage that. Just more blog crap I imagine. Kind of like Su-24MRs shutting down Aegis destroyers and the like.
     
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    I have no issues with the Rafale.... I Still don't see the NEED for an additional Single Engine ??? Additional frames, training etc... and all this will still come not immediate , but at atleast 3 - 4 years
     
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