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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

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  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    What most members fail to realise is that neither F-16 nor Gripen is a choice for India. Gripen uses US built F414 engine and it comes with a rider that aircraft equipped with this engine can't be used in nuke delivery role. US stopped Israel from giving AESA tech to India to ensure success of its F-16/18.
    So now we have situation in which US has a veto on the other choice while its own product is not an option.
     
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    Well if you think you can afford that but obviously you're struggling. Several of your types are useless and would have zero effectiveness in a modern war against China. Then when they get shot down and you start having to find replacements and train new pilots, you'll get my point but it'll be too late then.
     
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    Well Rafale isn't really an option either, see what happened to Russian Mistral deal. Even France is subservient to NATO. Gripen E also has a British radar and IRST, in fact it was really a British design.

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    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...ipen-fighter-:-program-update-(sept.-15).html
     
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    The HARM was shitty, so they had to change it. Not the case with our ARMs.

    We are not buying the F-16 for its armament.

    Confused you are.
     
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    Are you really saying F 16 offered to India is inferior to the Chinese Aircrafts? These things will be coming with AIM-120 AMRAAM,
    AIM-9X Sidewinder.. I am not sure China have anything to counter that. Also we need to look at the bigger picture too. We need US to help us in many things in future like NSG and anti terrorism. It was Bush and Condelessa working for us which helped us get NSG waivers and after that relation between US become cold and for NSG membership, they only assigned some Junior secretaries which cost us the membership.
     
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    You are too good at deceiving yourself and very easily deceived, which is part of the problem with your procurement.

    Well it should be a consideration.

    No, you're the one who thinks a non-stealth fighter has been sneaking up on people in training 5 years before IOC and 3 years before induction training has even began.:facepalm:
     
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    Why we need F 16 for Nuke delivery when we have Rafale for that? As I mentioned buying both machines have the same risk, then why not go for something which gives us more advantage is political and geographical area? We need a single engine aircraft anyway.. Its not like we are going to replace our nuclear equipped aircraft's with these..
     
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    My 2 cents on nuclear. Why fly in an aircraft when you can use a nuclear tipped Nirbhay, which will fly at the same speed and be infinitely less detectable.
     
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    Please guys dont get personal here. We all are here for discussion and most of us were tired and sick of the bullshits in another forum. Lets have a clean discussion. And its fun to have different arguments..
     
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    Just having all options on the table for second strike even if one is destroyed in initial attack by the enemy.
     
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    Well fair enough but both parties need to be able to at least consider what the other is saying and not coming up with blog stories about how an aircraft not even delivered yet sneaked up on another is also helpful.
     
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    I was thinking of submarine-based Nirbhay.
     
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    Still there are chances of our submarine gets attacked by enemies on a war.
     
  14. randomradio

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    What makes you think it's a stupid decision? Unless we start building our own jets we will become hostage to a supplier. With multiple platforms, we will have a negotiations advantage over the suppliers. Especially when the suppliers are enemies to each other also.

    We came down from 14 types to 6 today. The current crop is only 6 types, Mig-21/27/29, Jaguar, M-2000, MKI. And after 2030, we will only have 1 or 2 squadrons each of the Jags and M-2000.

    We have a light, medium and heavy requirement. So we will always have 6 types. If things go well, we will have LCA/Rafale/MKI previous gen and LSA/AMCA/FGFA as next gen. Older jets will be gone by the time we have all these jets in numbers. Right now, we don't even have 5 of the 6 jets.

    So what's wrong with our current setup? It's pretty good as far as I see.
     
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    Both missiles are obsolete. The Chinese have better missiles.

    We don't need a F-16 deal to have US political support. It will come regardless. There are so many other deals we can be involved in, particularly the army modernization, like the soldier upgrade program which will be bigger than the F-16 deal.
     

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