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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

  1. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    I re write the question.

    "If the Swedish option is " BETTER " in capability than Italian one and " Comparable" in price to Italian one , then why is Sweden going for Selex, avoiding its own AESA , which is ready to be produced ? ".
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    And if its " fully developed " right now , as I post , they should offer it for trials. If selected , well and good.
     
  3. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Bro, they signed a deal with Selex long ago, they can't go back on that. They signed it last decade.

    The GaN radar is a new development. They need new contracts to further develop it. It still has to go through limited production for tests.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    They are offering it for Tejas.
     
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    somedude Captain FULL MEMBER

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    what the *beep* does that mean?


    I mean, I get it, you wanted to say that they don't have a permanent seat at the UNSC; but then again neither are 187 other member countries, India included. Don't be insulting.

    If you want to know which countries aren't full members of the UN, here's the list:
    - The Holy See (no voting right)
    - Palestine (observer status)
    - Taiwan (officially part of China)
    - Western Sahara (officially part of Morocco)
    - The European Union (observer status), but member countries of the EU are all member countries of the UN)


    Sweden has a good diplomatic standing and a long tradition of neutrality, they're also another rich EU country. Sure, France might be more interesting, but if they can have several friends, why shouldn't they?
     
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    BON PLAN Captain FULL MEMBER

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    The Gripen A,B,C,D use the PS-05/A radar. This radar was developped by Ericsson (sweden) with GEC Marconi (GB and I think now integrated in Selex, Italy).
    It is not a 100% swedish design, so there is, once again, a problem of independance.
     
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    BON PLAN Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Please use the entire sentence Bro :
    "What is the weight of sweden ? no full member of UN, small country... Politically India has few to gain with."
    The answer is at the end. The part you removed..... don't use bad journalist method.

    If India want to choose a good partner in the political and technical field, France offer a stronger level (even if politically and diplomatically it's behind USA or Russia).
    Sweden has not such assets. And it's not an insult, just cold facts.
     
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    somedude Captain FULL MEMBER

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    I objected to the "no full member of the UN" part, so it's the part I stopped at. Sweden is a full member of the UN.

    For the rest: India has established strategic partnerships with the USA, Russia, France, and Israel. These will not be broken if they buy some Gripen aircraft. Sweden is a country with a tradition of neutrality, so they don't have any real enemy. This means that from a geopolitical perspective, India have nothing to lose from a strategic partnership with Sweden. They can, however, win another friend in the EU, which can be useful for negotiating trade agreements.
     
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    PeegooFeng41 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    Thats the point, France any day is better suited as a defense partner for India compared to Sweden. With Sweden you get a plane, with France you get a plane and possible support at diplomatic level in UNSC, NSG and elsewhere. Remember, it was France and Russia among P-5 that did not condemn India's nuclear test.

    Further, France is among the few countries in the world with completely indigenous defense industry. They build fighter jet, radar, engine, weapons; they build their own carrier; they build their own subs; they build their own tanks. Lastly, very few weapons from france will find their way to China, so we can have few cards up our sleeves which China knows nothing about.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Bro, I don't think you've understood. Saab has developed their own radar.

    How else do you think Saab is offering a radar for Tejas?
     
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    BON PLAN Captain FULL MEMBER

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    What is this famous radar? Is it operational? is it an EASA top edge one?
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    They want a Gripen order from IAF or a large AESA order for Tejas to complete development.

    Saab was the first company in the world to have an operational AESA. The Erieye, in 1996. It was developed by Ericsson Microwave Systems. Then Saab purchased EMS.

    Now, they've made the first GaN fighter radar (probably second because the Russians have already developed one, maybe even the Chinese). The company is called Saab Microwave Systems.

    Their new AESA is a development of the PS-05/A. They unveiled it in S Korea.
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    http://www.stratpost.com/saab-adds-gan-aesa-co-dev-to-make-india-gripen-pitch
    According to Tossman, GaN AESA radars are 70 percent more effective than existing AESA radar technology. This development is different from the SELEX Galileo Raven ES-05 AESA radar developed for the Gripen. But Sweden is clear that the offer to share GaN AESA radar technology would be only be on offer if India were to agree to to produce the Gripen in India for the IAF.

    Tossman announced, “AESA Gallium Nitride ITAR-free (International Traffic in Arms Regulations, which are U.S. rules for controlling the export of defense technologies). That means we own our own technology. We decide what to do with it. So we are not dependent on any others’ approval if we can or cannot share that technology – it’s our decision,” adding, “We are now having the prototype and soon going to fly with the AESA GaN. That’s where we are and this is ITAR-free.”

    “We were the first one in the world to announce that we have AESA GaN as you know – AESA and Gallium Nitride is the buzzword within the radar technology. And a bit more than a year ago we introduced the AESA GaN on our surface radar and we said we’re going to deliver our first AESA GaN to the customer in 2016 – that’s this year. And our competitors were really shocked. They can only delver AESA GaN in 2020-2021. I think we took the world by surprise that we are the first in the world with AESA GaN technology,” said Tossman, adding, “We are absolutely the first – nobody else – no radar developer has AESA GaN apart from us.”
     
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    All is said. That means some more years to wait.
     
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    BON PLAN Captain FULL MEMBER

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    ? what is this one? For me USA is the leader in AESA and GaN, following by France.
    Russia has, I think, no AESA radar operationnal on frontline fighter. Only PESA one (it's easier for us because of the huge nose cone of their fighters, allowing the PESA tech to be usefull. It was the main problem of "first gen" Rafale radar)
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Thales introduces NS200 multi-mission radar for naval forces
    http://www2.thalesgroup.com/press/W...0-multi-mission-radar-for-naval-forces-en.pdf

     
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