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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    I have no clue what you are trying to say here.

    The Russians don't have any interest in working with India's private industry. They don't want HAL to outsource or subcontract Ka-226 work to the private industry either.

    Dude, which rock have you been living under? Even the first payment has gone through.
    http://www.indiastrategic.in/2016/12/15/india-clears-the-first-payment-for-rafale/

    http://www.financialexpress.com/industry/dassault-reliance-aerospace-limited-incorporated/553873/
    “DRAL has finalised the infrastructure requirements at Dhirubhai Aerospace Park at Mihan, Nagpur and construction work for the greenfield facility will start in May 2017, and production by end-2017. “DRAL will support the government’s Make in India and Skill India policies and develop major Indian programmes with high levels of technology transfer to benefit the entire aerospace sector,” the statement said.

    UAE has merely deferred the purchase.

    http://www.defenseworld.net/news/18325/India_Eyeing_Joint_Aircraft_Production_With_UAE
    "We are looking at armaments, we are looking at armoured personnel carriers. We are looking at joint-production of aircraft," Ministry of External Affairs Secretary Amar Sinha told journalists during a press conference on Tuesday.

    "For example, as in the case of Rafale, which we are buying and UAE is also using (the Rafale), there is some interest. This is something that we can do together in terms of portion of the Rafale that would be built in India. Those are the areas that we are identifying and will work together," Amar Sinha added.
     
  2. Ved Mishra

    Ved Mishra Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Then we have to wait for atleast 10 years to get a fighter from Reliance line. It sounds unrealistic even in that timeframe. Better we invest in AMCA and make it happen like ATAGS model.
     
  3. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Dassault was on the ropes when rescued by the purchase of the Rafale by India, the plane is already obsolete and will become more so in the future. Neither France or Dassault are large enough to fund the research and development needed develop the capability needed to fight modern air wars. Neither is Russia with drastic cuts to its defense budget and an economy about half the size of California.
     
  4. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Captain Technical Analyst

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    10 Years for Rafales is still better than no fighter jets.

    Mind it , no fighter jets.

    If we stick to only HAL for AMCA , and FGFA , both projects would be a failure , just like LCA.
     
  5. Ved Mishra

    Ved Mishra Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Wow LCA is a failure before its induction in IAF in latest configuration. Lolzzz.
     
  6. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Your'e jealous just because we don't wast our money like US with the F-35 :rockroll::rafale:
     
  7. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    That you need ToT/know how first before you can assemble fighters, so he is talking about Rafales being build in India only for an order of 100. Your own source even confirms once again, that Reliance doesn't have the necessary infrastructure available yet.


    Lol and you made up an order for UAE and the production of 20 fighter based on that? They are only offering UAE to join India, to get the required numbers for a production line in India. But as I said, so far there is neither a production order for Rafales in India nor for UAE at all.
     
  8. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    But back to Gripen, I wonder how Saab plans to sell Gripen, when the government has blacklisted Selex ES for all new procurements?

    http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...ent-says-manohar-parrikar-116053000137_1.html


    http://saab.com/hu/region/india/abo.../2015/selex-es-raven-aesa-radar-on-gripen-ng/


    IFF could be sourced otherwise, but the repositioner and the IRST are key capabilities. Brite cloud EM decoy should be out of reach too.

    http://www.leonardocompany.com/en/-/britecloud-deployed-from-saab-gripen
     
  9. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Blacklisted firms to be reviewed under new policy: Manohar Parrikar
    http://www.livemint.com/Politics/2x...to-be-reviewed-under-new-policy-Parrikar.html
     
  10. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Contract is already signed. The infrastructure will be built by Dassault. Trappier is the chairman of DRAL.

    What's gonna stop this project now?

    Rafale has support from the PM's office, it concerns our SFC now. IAF is only a part of the Rafale program for India.

    These things take time, but look at the source who says it in the first place, it is from the MEA itself.
    Ministry of External Affairs Secretary Amar Sinha

    A few hours ago, you thought we still haven't even begun with the contract for the 36.
     
  11. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Saab has designed its own radar and EW suite. All of Italy's tech can be replaced.
     
  12. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Which project, they are building a joint facility, which can be used to divert parts of the offsets, just as to produce parts for French Rafales, or evenue Dassault Falcons. But there is no order for IAF to make Rafales in India apart from your speculations. So no orders no production line for Rafales in India!

    We produce Sikorski and AW helicopter, just as F18SH parts in India too, although non of them are ordered for our forces.


    Then you should wait and see and not make up even production numbers for not existing orders.
     
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  13. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    The back end is theirs, the repositioner just as the IRST are not, which are based on EF developments.

    Meaning other blacklisted cases will be reviewed, the decision to blacklist Finmeccanica was taken by him / Mod of this government.
     
  14. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    we are seeing what a great country is able to produce with your F35 :cray:
     
  15. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    If Selex techs are not allowed, they hardly have more techs than LCA MK1A, since it would have a fixed AESA and no IRST. What's left is more internal fuel and the GE414 engine, similar to LCA MK2.
     

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