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F16, Gripen - Make In India Single Engine Aircraft - News and possibilities

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Averageamerican, Sep 30, 2016.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The Reliance factory will have 1500 people and an extra 7500 people through subcontractors. A total of over 300 vendors will be making Rafale parts.
     
  2. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The design is Swedish, not Italian.

    They are offering it for Tejas also.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    LCA is not a failure due to its design or capability.

    It is a failure because of our public sector companies inability to complete the development cycle in time , without a comparably big cost and a very huge timeline over run , still not getting FOC and the totally criminal speed of production.

    If from ~300 we cut down to only 83 proper fighter jets, that means only one thing.
     
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  4. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Again, they offer the AESA radar, but the Gripen E uses a Selex ES repositioner system on which the radar is mounted. Without the repositioner, they can offer India only a fixed radar, be it for LCA or Gripen E, with a far lower field of view.
     
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  5. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Here you go, a repositioner that's already present on the PS-05. It's proven too, unlike the Italian one.
    [​IMG]
     
  6. halloweene

    halloweene Major MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Anyone knows the power generation of LCA MkII? Because phased arrays are huge consumers. And very hot.
     
  7. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The Rafale costs twice as much as an F18 Super-Hornet, but still can't hope to compete against 5th gen planes. It has no reason for existing

    The nose diameter of the Rafale is just too small. Its AESA radar only has a 55 cm diameter, compared to the 80 cm diameter of the F-35 and the 90cm+ of the F-15 and F-22. It's even smaller than the F-18E/F. The Rafale has a good radar now, but its performance and growth potential is very limited by that design choice. While a user can choose to put a smaller future radar in the big noses of the other fighters, it will have to buy a specially small radar to upgrade the Rafale, which means in practice that they will have to buy whatever the Armee de l'Air buys. Something needs to be done about this. Either the nose must get bigger (not likely!), or Dassault must guarantee an upgrade path and logistic pipeline for the special chibi radars the Rafale needs. This was reason #2 that Singapore rejected the Rafale.
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Singapore, as Korea, were stressed by uncle Sam. It's part of the bill for the massive US support and GI's on their soil.
    And basta. You know perfectly that there is no other explanation.
     
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    dadeechi Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    The fat lady hasn't sung yet
     
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    dadeechi Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    When did I say that the RAFALE deal will not happen?
     
  11. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Actually I was surprised that AESA is possible in the Mk1A without the GE414.
     
  12. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    For Mk1A it is 40KVA.

    Mk1A and Mk2, no idea. But it should be the same because of the engine.

    It won't be a problem, Gripen and JF-17 face the same issue.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Why so?

    Size is a constraint, not power.
     
  14. Sancho

    Sancho Major Technical Analyst

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    Size of the radar is a choice and mainly limited by the weight, but as helloween said, the higher power consumption can be an issue too. Gripen E with AESA hast the GE414 engine and JF 17 Block 3 is suppose to get AESA and a higher powered engine too.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Switching from F404 and F414 won't make much of a difference. Both have 40KVA generators.
     

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