F22 analysis expanded

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  1. MiG-23MLD
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    you data is wrong even for american claimed tally, it is 104:0 what it is claimed.

    Why?

    40+ aircraft downed in 1982 plus 34 aircraft in 1991, plus around 10 before 1982 by Israel downing around 5 or 6 MiG-21s and 2 MiG-25s and around 14 aircraft downed in other conflicts such as 1999.

    Of these around 5 are MiG-25s and 9 MiG-29s.

    Now something you do not mention is this tally is only given by either American or Israeli sources.


    In fact in 1991 2 F-15s are acknowledged to have been downed by the USAF, but they claimed SAMs and AAA downed them.

    The F-15E sustained two losses to ground fire in the Gulf War in 1991.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-15_Eagle
    good example of the mysteries american loses

    WASHINGTON, April 3, 2003 ** A Navy F/A-18 Hornet fighter jet went missing and an Army UH-60 Black Hawk helicopter crashed in central Iraq

    F/A-18C, a single-seat aircraft, went down at approximately 3:45 p.m. EST April 2 during ongoing Coalition air operations in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.
    U.S. forces are still searching for the F/A-18 and the pilot, who officials said ejected in the area near Kerbala.

    April 13, 2003
    ABOARD THE USS KITTY HAWK — The Navy has identified the remains of
    an F/A-18 Hornet pilot assigned to the USS Kitty Hawk and missing
    since his plane was shot down April 2, according to the aircraft
    carrier’s commanding officer. Capt. Thomas Parker said the body of Lt. Nathan D. White, 30, of Abilene, Texas, was found Saturday.
    He was a pilot with Strike Fighter Squadron 195, the Dambusters. He is survived by his wife and three children.

    April 13, 2003


    Gulf War II

    The F-15E sustained two losses to ground fire in the Gulf War in 1991. One F-15E was lost in the 2003, Invasion of Iraq, probably due to ground fire. http://www.flightlevel350.com/Lockheed_F-15_aircraft_facts.html
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    Your spliting hairs, 140 to 0 in air to air combat, against I will admit Russian Junk. The Russians will say anything and pay bribes big time to get India to buy their planes. At the same time they well sell the same technology and planes to China an they will side with China if their is ever a war between China and India, because they have a 2000 plus mile border with China and no defense if China was to invade. The Russian population is 142,905,200 and dropping and there are 1.5 billion Chinese looking for room and resources. They dont have to worry about a invasion by India,
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    look if you are going to boast, do it right and with correct numbers

    The 104 is the number of enemy planes downed by F-15s, and the ... The total includes aerial victories by American, Israeli and Saudi pilots Air Force should not relegate F-15 Eagles to boneyard - Air Force Community - Air Force Times

    but the Ruskies say

    Боевое крещение МиГ-23 произошло в небе Ливана. В целом, истребители ВВС Сирии в ходе активных боевых действий с 6 по 12 июня 1982 г уничтожили в воздушных боях 42 израильских самолета (в том числе, как минимум, пять F-15A и шесть F-16A), five F-15 and 6 F-16 downed in 1982

    http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/bv/mig23liv/mig23liv.html
    Второй МИГ-25 удар во фланг уже не наносил. К месту боя не успели и израильские ударные самолеты. В непредвиденной заранее ситуации быстрее разобрались на сирийском ЦКП. Посчитав позицию более выгодной там решили перевести МИГ-25 на сближение. Цель летчик обнаружил на 40 км, захват произвел на 25 км, пуск первой ракеты - на 18 км, второй ракеты - на 11 км (бортовые средства контроля при дешифрировании подтвердили попадание первой ракеты). Израильский летчик катапультировался над морем. Сторожевые катера подобрали спасательный жилет и пакет с сигнальными средствами, хранящийся в катапультном сиденье.

    This say in 1981 a MiG-25 downed a Israeli F-15

    http://www.soldiering.ru/avia/airplane/25arabian.php

    So see this not every one agrees with the american version
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    If you look at the last 50 years, any one can clearly see that Russian Equipment with the possible exception of AK47 are cheap junk and even then I would prefer an M16 or M1. US planes takes out Russian lanes 100 to 1 and then Russians have to get lucky. US tanks go thru Russian tanks like hot butter by the thousands in Israel wars and US Iraq wars., US flys over downtown Baghdad the most defended city in the world by Russian Sams and AA with out any trouble, Israel gos thru Syrian AA like its not even there.
  6. Picard
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    Yeah, but AK47 is far more reliable than M16 will ever be.
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  7. Averageamerican
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    Your right and the AK47 is just about the limit of Russian technology.
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    Just want to say one thing to you "best weaponry could be ineffective if it is used by poorly trained soldiers."
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    According to you, Russians should still be using T-34s, then. AK-47 was based on MP-44.

    But no, it is not limit, even when it comes to assault rifles. AN-94 is the latest model. However, AK-74 is still used (and yes, it is AK-74 and not AK-47) because AN-94 is too complicated to produce.

    According to you, Russians should still be using T-34s, then. AK-47 was based on MP-44.

    But no, it is not limit, even when it comes to assault rifles. AN-94 is the latest model. However, AK-74 is still used (and yes, it is AK-74 and not AK-47) because AN-94 is too complicated to produce.

    Yeah, but USAF doesn't understand that; they were cutting on training due to F22 and F35 projects.
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    USAF or USA will never understand that as they believe they are only superior in this world. certainly there are good in technology but it does not mean that they can rule the whole world.
    In 1965 india Pakistan war in battle of Asal uttar Pakistani American make Patton tank are fully pitted again Indian British and French make Centurion and AMX -13 tank. This battle led to the creation of Patton Nagar (or Patton City) at the site of the battle Khemkaran. This is because a large number of Patton tanks fielded by the Pakistani forces were either captured or destroyed at the scene.

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