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F22 analysis expanded

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Picard, Apr 13, 2012.

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  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Now back in the real world, both China and Russian have a massive and corrupt military. China is still decades behind the United States in advanced technology, and in many areas the gap is widening.
    Modernizing China's Military: Progress, Problems, and Prospects.
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    The Russian Military is a mess, they survive by selling equipment mainly to India.
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    US policy with Russia is they are just not big enought or powerful enough to be a threat and to just ignore them,,,,if little Georgia could give them trouble they are not big enought to be a problem for the USA.

    The challenge is trying to understand the sources of Russian conduct [as Kennan might have termed the matter].

    If recent Russian behavior is just symptomatic of tit-for-tat escalation, what Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates called the Russians " throwing their food on the floor", then the Americans can avoid provocations, continue business as usual, reconsider BMD in central Europe, and "getting Russia right" as some Europeans have suggested.

    If recent Russian behavior is symptomatic of Russian imperial nostalgia, and a belief on their part that they need a much stronger military establishment in order to assert their natural sphere of influence within the boundaries of the empire circa 1914, then their hostility is almost entirely self-generated, and is beyond the capacity of external actors to placate.
     
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    Now back to the Real World., As far as the F22 is concerned its not an advance in air power, its a revolution, its as much as an advance as the gun over the bow and arrow, and just as the Indians took a lot of time to realize the gun was a more effective weapon 3rd world countries are going to have problem accepting that fact. You cant fight what you cant see and the F22 is allways going to have the first look and the kill and do the same thing again and again, then rearm and come back and do the same thing again. The F22 will take out the problems and the teen fighters will clean up the rest. Befor that even happens the US will let the dogs loose, the missiles, cruise missiles and the drones. You are not going to see what the f22s can really do until there is a major conflict.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    F22 is basically using a sword of pure gold instead of steel one. Less effective and way more expensive.
     
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    No one believed in the stealth bomber until it was used and no one else in the world has learned how to build real one, though Russia and China have copied the design and used some of the features. .Full-size stealth combat aircraft demonstrators have been flown by the United States (in 1977), Russia (in 2010) and China (in 2011),[8] while the US military has already adopted three stealth designs, and is preparing to adopt another. It took Russia and China 30 years to develope a stealth plane after the US proved the technolog an they stole as much as the technology as possible. Shows how far behind the technology of Russian and China compared to the USA.
     
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    F117 was not known to world at large until 1990. And original idea behind F117 is by Russian scientist.
     
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    Really it began back in World War I and the germans were working on it in World War II .Stealth aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Yes, but that was mainly visual stealth, not radar stealth. I was talking specifically about F117s concept of radar stealth via angled flat surfaces.

    Even Wikipedia says as much:
     
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    A gold magic sword that can wipe the sky clear of enemy planes.
     
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    Yeah... unless enemyplanes are armed, that is.
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    ...yet they put no IRST.
     
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    Even I wonder why didn't they put IRST on the F-22
    What could be the reason for it or is it that they simply FORGOT !!!!
     
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    Or they thought that LPI radar is "invisible" (as some US posters on other forums think) and so decided that IRST is useless...
     
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    It was plan early on, but got cancelled on cost grounds.
     
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