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F22 Analysis, News and Updates

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Picard, Feb 25, 2012.

  1. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Captain FULL MEMBER

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    In this case don't use a part of these magazine, and not another one.

    For a simple minded guy like you it's easy to understand : ALL or NOTHING.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    No. It's more telling when the French themselves acknowledge defeat, like when the Rafale pilots acknowledged Typhoons with HMCS active had beaten them to a French journo.
     
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    But the excerpt you've quoted doesn't "acknowledge defeat" you nincompoop. It says the F-22 is very maneuverable despite its size, which honestly isn't really a scoop. The only comparison it does with the Rafale in that sentence is to say it is heavier, which again isn't really a scoop. If you're reduced to interpret "heavy plane still maneuverable" as "French admit Rafale sucks", you're incredibly desperate.
     
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    Infrared-tracking, short-range multi-mission missile
    The AIM-9 Sidewinder is the most advanced infrared-tracking, short-range air-to-air and surface-to-air missile in the world. It is configured for easy installation on a wide range of modern aircraft, including the F-15, F-16, F/A-18 and F-4 fighters, A-4, A-6 and AV-8B attack aircraft, and the AH-1 helicopter. Allied aircraft configured for Sidewinders include the Tornado, the JA-37 Viggen and the Sea Harrier.

    A true dual use missile, AIM-9X® is effective in either air-to-air or surface-to-air applications with no modifications required to the missile. It is compatible with the U.S. Army’s ground-based multi-mission launcher.

    Over the years, the Sidewinder's effectiveness and all-aspect capabilities have been combat-proven in several theaters throughout the world.

    The AIM-9X Block II is the current version of the AIM-9 Sidewinder short range missile family in use by more than 40 nations throughout the world. This next generation Sidewinder missile is in its 14th year of production.

    AIM-9X is actively deployed on U.S. Navy and Air Force F-15, F-16, and F-18 aircraft, and is further deployed in the air forces of 18 international customers.

    The AIM-9X Block II adds a redesigned fuze and a digital Ignition Safety Device that enhances ground handling and in-flight safety. The Block II variant also features updated electronics that enable significant enhancements, including lock-on-after-launch capability using a new weapon datalink to support Beyond Visual Range engagements.
     
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    The 9X Block II can do things its predecessors could hardly have imagined. For example, it is equipped with a 360-degree engagement capability and a data link, said Capt. Jim Stoneman, chief of the Navy’s Air-to-Air Missiles Program Office. That enables a pilot to fire the missile first and then aim it at a target.

    “The pilot can shoot and then pass more information to the missile” via the data link to vector the missile to a target, Stoneman said during a briefing May 16 at the 2016 Sea-Air-Space Exposition. The missile’s 360-degree capability enables it to engage targets — even those behind the aircraft, he said.

    On some planes, such as the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, pilots will be able to aim the missiles using sights built into their helmets.

    Although the Sidewinder was developed as a short-range missile meant for close-in kills, the Block II’s range has been “about doubled,” Stoneman said, making it into a “beyond-visual-range” weapon.

    A Block III version of the 9X is on the drawing board, but for now remains unfunded, Stoneman said.

    The AIM-120D is the latest version of the AMRAAM, which the Navy and Air Force have used since 1987. The D model also features a data link that enables a pilot to fire the missile and then send it targeting information, Stoneman said.

    It has an improved Global Positioning System guidance system and enhanced anti-jamming capabilities to shield in the midst of enemy electronic warfare. After several years of testing, the 120D is now making its way to the fleet, Stoneman said.

    Software upgrades are under way, and those should further increase the capability of the “Delta” model, he said. For now, there are no plans for a follow-on missile, he said.

    Aim 9x had a range up to 22 miles, so if doubled the range of block II should be over 40 miles.

    http://www.seapowermagazine.org/stories/20160516-missiles.html
     
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    BON PLAN Captain FULL MEMBER

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    ASRAAM used the same seeker. It was intended to be more ranged, with its best aerodynamic.
    Don't forget also Python 5.
    I think IRIS T is also a nice product.

    Why a product, because it is US made, be better than another systematically ?
     
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    Better than Russian Junk. The problems with the Russian defense industry go beyond poor management and ineffective quality control. There is a persistent shortage of skilled workers and competent managers as well as a tradition of ignoring complaints from users. Changing these Soviet era habits has proved extremely difficult. There are simply too few competent Russian managers (in general) and fewer still willing to work in the defense industries. Same deal with skilled workers. Even during the late Soviet era the defense industry was regarded as a refuge for over-paid and corrupt incompetents. Imposing Western ideas like warranties and financial controls didn't work. The warranties were not honored and the financial controls were seen as an interesting challenge to corrupt officials rather than a new tool to aid management. Plus we have been making the AIM 9X for over 30 years and ten or more upgrades. Plus have made more the 5000 and sold them world wide.
     
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    Kind of think HAL has the same problem. Prob patterned after Russial Hiring depends on who you know more than what you know..
     
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    https://us.yahoo.com/finance/news/f-22-raptor-back-grave-100005254.html

    The F-22 Raptor: Back From the Grave?
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    The Pentagon collected its final F-22 Raptor from Lockheed Martin Corp. four years ago. Amid the Cold War’s end and shrinking defense budgets, the most advanced fighter jet ever built was deemed both unnecessary and unaffordable.

    Now, Congress has ignited a flicker of hope for fans of the pricey airplane. A House subcommittee asked the U.S. Air Force to investigate what it would cost to put the tactical fighter back into production.
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    @randomradio @Picdelamirand-oil @Ezco @BON PLAN @vstol jockey

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    http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=28459

    According to french source, F-22 dominated every time, and "gun killed" the rafale at least twice.
    From all french source we could get (including the french "air & cosmos" magzine, and its supp. "the combat of rafale"), all french pilots interviewed admitted that rafale did not score any voctory on F-22. The only controversy lies on whether F-22 won all engagements, or some engagements were draw.

    Apeendix: comments on this video:

    In this dogfight video which lasts over 3 minutes, the F-22 only appeared in the front hemisphere of Rafale for a couple of seconds (at 2:49,3:05,4:12,4:42), so what happened for the rest of the time over 2 minutes? The french people don't want us to know. What if F-22 maintained an advantageous position for the rest of the time?

    In addition, since this is a gunfight DACT, no gun solution is achieved in this video, if you watch the line representing the gun solution. The rafale failed to place F-22 at the end of the line (which is the predicted trajectory of bullets), so it did not get sufficient lead. That's why all french source claims that rafale got no victories.
     
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    First : your french seeming quite good, you have read Rafale beat easily Eurofighter.

    Secondly : This exercise was organized in 2011. RBE2 was PESA one. Now Rafale is equiped with AESA one...
     
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    BMD Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    Strange because, unlike the Rafale, the EF has at least 4 genuine Raptor kills.

    https://theaviationist.com/2012/07/23/f-22-raptor-kill-markings/
     
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    Not strange : it is written. Or you accept all the article is true or nothing is true, but you can't take one affirmation and not the other one.

    During this 2011 encounter, during 6 duel, only one time F22 was in a situation to shoot down Rafale. And you have seen in the video that Rafale can hold the F22 rythm.

    We can expect a trust vectoring 5gen 2x 15.6tons thrust just a little bit better than a 2x7.5 tons fighter. Even if it is french :wave:
     
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    Rafale was in chase all the rest of the time, but out the HUD angle of vision.
     
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    No evidence of that. Rafale was probably gun-killed when F-22 was off the camera.
     

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