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F22 Analysis, News and Updates

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Picard, Feb 25, 2012.

  1. Averageamerican

    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The F22 is not designed for dog fights, I expect any F22 pliot that gets in a dog fight is going to be out of a job, neither was the B2 designed for dog fighting. I would expect that the F22 can hold it own in dog fight but it will not have any great advantage. The job the F22 will be to take out enemy planes with out the enemy ever knowing where the F22 is compared to their location. The idea in supercruise mode the F22 will stay out of range of the enemys radar and pick off plane after plane with out the enemy ever locating the F22. Its kind of like this guy put it: “I can’t see the [expletive deleted] thing,” said RAAF Squadron Leader Stephen Chappell, exchange F-15 pilot in the 65th Aggressor Squadron. “It won’t let me put a weapons system on it, even when I can see it visually through the canopy. [Flying against the F-22] annoys the hell out of me.” ( I expect it would annoy him a lot more in real combat)
     
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  2. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Which all shows that F22 will be simply perfect for fighting poor Arabs equipped with ancient radars.
     
  3. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    One version. F22s radar uses "frequency hopping".

    Trend is due to costs savings and logistics. But even then, none of European designs come anywhere near F35 when it comes to being "jack-of-all-trades". F35 is VLO interceptor / bomber / ground attack / electronic warfare / intelligence / reconaissance / surveillance / AWACS plane produced in CTOL, STOVL and CATOBAR variants with awful manouverability and costs higher than any other fighter plane except F22.

    Spikes can also be detected. IFF can be detected, too, and without it, radar missiles are useless.
     
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    Averageamerican Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    The F15 has APG-63/70 pulse-Doppler radar and it can not lock on to the F22 even when pliot can see the F22 much less whenever its further away. the F16 and F18s, can do no better. Kill ratios in some of red flag exercises have been as high a 118 to 0.., the radar signture of F22 is very small, maybe the size of moving marble in the air and the F22 can detect radar signals and stay far enought that they will never show up on an enemy radar screen.
     
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    Mr Hit Smith 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    What Are Those " Some Circumstances" hmm :hmm: ?




    enlighten me :partay:
     
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  6. MiG-23MLD

    MiG-23MLD Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    i think F-22 is a good dogfighter, but the Russians want to design a better dogfighter
     
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    MiG-23MLD Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    All Eurojetys are far easier to detect than F-22, the advantage is for F-22 any way, F-22 will see any eurocanard first
     
  8. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    F18 did better, F16 did better... F15s radar is outdated - or at least was at time of ecercises - and radar will NOT be main sensor in any combat, even if we accept those claims... which are questionable at best, since VLO is mostly shaping, RAM only does away with remains, which is reason why stealth planes have to control their position/profile relative to enemy radar; and if you believe stories, Typhoons managed to lock on F22 from "surprisingly long range" with radar; radar signature of any stealth fighter is MUCH larger against VHF radars, and anyone using radar gives out position.

    Dogfight.
     
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  9. Picard

    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    No it wont - if it radiates, it will be detected first, if it doesn't, it will be detected first beacouse it doesn't have IRST.
     
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    MiG-23MLD Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    F-22 has data link AWACs or an F-35 can do the detection F-22 the firing, F-22 can fire at distances that any Eurocanard cannot detect it.

    Stop living in dreams, F-22 is much better
     
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    Picard Lt. Colonel RESEARCHER

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    Link can also be jammed or detected; and shots at such distances - as I said, first, IFF = unreliable until visual confirmation, second, BVR shots = unreliable.

    I don't live in dreams, you are one that can't accept simple reality that F22 ignores basics of fighter combat.
     
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    MiG-23MLD Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    what fighter principles? that Eurojets carry external weapons and fuel tanks increasing their RCS? that F-22 can also jamm any Eurocanard radar? that F-22 has a very difficult radar to jam and detect.

    Your theory comes from the idea Eurocanards can jam but can not be jammed, that US AWACS, and radars and data link will be always jammed.

    That F-22 has F-15 agility, wow this is the most unaccurate of all your statements, in fact F-16s, F-15s and F-18s have aesa radars and still the F-22 can beat them
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  13. gambit

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    Repeating the same debunked thing mean post 69 is over your head.

    The cost of maintaining a diverse fleet of dedicated mission aircrafts are much more. The best example is the US Navy which have gone to the F-18. An aircraft carrier have limited access to logistics. Everything it needs it must carry sufficient amount for X duration. With a few F-14s, a few F-18s, a few A-7s, and so on...and so on...and it gets mighty expensive. Even for US. This is why the F-16 is so popular. Most air forces in the world are comparable to the US Navy. Your criticism of the F-35, while it may have some technical merits, the same tactic can be used for ALL aircrafts. The issues are cost and logistics.

    Of course they can. The question is statistics and with LPI signals, current RWR signal analysis cannot correlate detected spikes that rose above threshold. IFF interogator and responses are so brief that they fall under the same statistical problem with LPI.
     
  14. gambit

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    Those are bursts. They cannot be jammed unless the jammer has knowledge of the encryption algorithm, which is unlikely with so brief transmissions.

    Yes, you do. Your style of 'debate' am well aware of. The best you can do is simply repeating the same arguments over and over at different times, hoping no one would notice that you have been debunked in the past.
     
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    Do you know the exact circumstances of those alleged detections and trackings?

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    Do you see that little 'dingleberry' on the underside?

    It is this device...

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    ...And it is a radar enhancer. The design is called a 'luneburg lens'...

    RCS Radar Cross Section, Lüneberg Reflector lensref - Luneburg radar
    The 'luneburg lens' for the EM region is designed to amplify and reflect back to source direction. Intenally, it is essentially an assembly of coils. Most of the time, the F-22 flies with them to assist air traffic controllers and in doing so inevitably hide the aircraft's true RCS. Anecdotes has it that even when within visual range, a non-enhanced F-22 is still undetected by air traffic control radars. When we fly F-22s even for foreign allies, it is very rare that we will fly them without these enhancers.
     
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