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First India-made Dassault Falcon will fly in 2022: Reliance

Discussion in 'Indian Defence Industry' started by Gessler, Nov 4, 2017.

  1. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Thought this is enough of a news for a new thread...

    ‘Will graduate to making whole plane’

    The Reliance Group’s joint venture with Dassault Aviation to manufacture components for Rafale fighter aircraft is much talked about.

    However, the group is also harbouring ambitions to fly out business jets and passenger planes made entirely in India, the first private sector company that may end up doing so.

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    Falcon 2000S

    Reliance, in a joint venture with the €3.6 billion Dassault Aviation, will start making the business jet Falcon from January 2018 at the Dassault Reliance Aviation Limited (DRAL) facility in Mihan, Nagpur and the first Falcon is expected to fly out of Mihan as early as 2022 for the global markets.

    Falcons play in the wide-cabin, long-range aircraft segment as they can fly distances between 6000-12000 km, covering a range of travel needs.

    Confirming the development, Rajesh Dhingra, CEO, Reliance Defence told The Hindu, “We will start with assembly in January 2018. The nose, cockpit and doors will be done [here] in the next two years. Initially, wings will come from outside and the entire body will be assembled here. Flight testing will start in the fourth year and the locally-made Falcon will be ready for flying out of Mihan in the fifth year, say by 2022.

    The company expects to make 20 Falcons a year, with 2,500 Falcons delivered in the last 50 years of which 2,100 Falcons are operational in 80 countries.

    Employment plans

    “We will directly employ over 700 engineers for the Falcon assembly-line alone, giving indirect employment to 3,000 others. We will have hundreds of Indian and French OEMs setting up bases in DAAP,” said Mr. Dhingra.

    A Falcon 2000S costs $30 million-$40 million, while the Falcon 8X costs upwards of $60 million. The company expects revenues of ₹800 crore a year from the venture.

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    Falcon 8X

    The Falcon aircraft assembled at the DRAL facility will be the first to be manufactured for the export market by an Indian-owned facility.

    The manufacturing facility at the Dhirubhai Ambani Aerospace Park is located in the Mihan SEZ. It is a 51:49 venture between Reliance Aerostructure and Dassault Aviation.

    http://www.thehindu.com/business/in...-2022-says-reliance-group/article19969708.ece

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  2. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Dassault approach is a step by step approach.
    The idea is you don't go to general relativity and Rieman geometry before mastering classical mechanic and Euclide geometry. But at the end India will be able to make AMCA alone.
     
  3. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The French should have started this process about 4 years ago. It would have given a boost to the Rafale MII. Not too late though.
     
  4. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    How is Dassault ready to make planes here without orders for Falcon jets?
     
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    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Dassault Delivers 2,500th Falcon Business Jet
    Saint-Cloud, France
    7/20/2017
    Dassault Aviation recently delivered its 2,500th business jet, marking yet another landmark event in the storied saga of the Falcon line.

    The aircraft, a Falcon 900LX, was handed over at the Little Rock Completion Center to a longtime Falcon customer based in the United States.

    The delivery represents a significant milestone for both the company and the Dassault Falcon line which has lead the industry in performance, comfort, economy and efficiency ever since the first Falcon was delivered in 1965.

    Over 50 years of innovation in business aviation
    In the half century since the legendary Falcon 20 introduced executives to business jet travel, operators around the globe have been attracted by the passion for excellence, quality and technological innovation reflected in the Falcon brand. A passion handed down by company founder Marcel Dassault and shared by the engineers, technicians, craftsmen who design, build and service Falcon aircraft.

    With a generation of continuous improvements, Falcons have remained the industry standard, from the first Falcon 20 up to today’s new Falcon 8X ultra-long range trijet, which expands the range and size of the Falcon family while offering industry leading digital flight control and sound proofing capabilities.

    With the addition of the all-new Falcon 5X ultra wide body twinjet, set to enter the market in 2020, the Falcon line will cover the complete range of large cabin business aviation requirements, from super midsize on up.

    ”Over the half century it has been in operation, the Falcon fleet has amassed an amazing 17.8 million hours of flight time with some 1230 operators in 90 countries around the world,” said Eric Trappier, Chairman and CEO of Dassault Aviation. “Moreover, of the 2,500 Falcons delivered to date, more than 2,100 are still flying – which is a clear testimony to the high quality and robustness of our Falcon aircraft and the dedication of those that support them.”

    Since 1965, Falcon jets have led the way in introducing new technologies to business aviation: the first supercritical wing, first head up display, first digital flight controls, first Product Life Cycle Management modeling system.

    And most recently, FalconEye, the first HUD with a combined enhanced and synthetic vision system capability which offers unprecedented safety and operating efficiency. And Falcon Sphere II integrated electronic flight bag suite, which sets a new standard in paperless cockpit operations.

    Additionally, the Falcon line has been among the leaders in offering operators dependable round the globe 24/7 customer service. In addition to the network of 51 service centers, 100+ field reps and 15 spare parts centers with over $800 million in spares inventory, Dassault has pioneered in optimizing Aircraft-on-Ground support, notably through FalconResponse, with its first-of-a-kind alternative lift offering. Equipped with a pair of dedicated Falcon 900s based in the United States and Europe, FalconResponse has flown more than 300 missions since it was launched two years ago. More than 40% of FalconResponse missions make use of alternate lift.

    https://www.dassaultfalcon.com/en/MediaCenter/Newsd/Pages/PR 2017/2500th-Falcon-delivery.aspx
     
  6. proud_indian

    proud_indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    to fulfill offsets
     
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    proud_indian 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    He must have meant Indian orders.
     
  8. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The orders need not come only from India - DRAL will manufacture Falcons sold all over the world.
     
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    Will this facility also set up a runway and flight testing facilities? ... good scope for test pilots!
     
  10. shaktimaan

    shaktimaan Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    it means job losses in France, isnt it ?
     
  11. BON PLAN

    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Yes, but not only.
    Dassault think there is a market for dediated Falcon to indian market. Better to make it in India !
     
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    BON PLAN Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Not if it's for additionnal business.
    And some parts will always came from france I think. So it's better to have 10% or 20% of an additional business thanks to reduced price instead of 100% of nothing because your own costs are too high.

    See Airbus helicopters producing EH215 in Romania (a low end H225) to reduce price and take low end market. Same strategy. Engines and some high tech components are always coming from France or Germany.
     
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  13. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    I had predicted it here that Indians will be reduced to just tooling agents and fitters. You are posting nothing new. France will once again fail to sell its ware like they failed with their cars.
     
  14. Gessler

    Gessler Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    As per the article, we will start off with production of certain components - like nose cones, cockpit sections & doors. So the foundation will be laid by production (straight from sourcing raw materials, cutting, machining etc.), not screwdrivergiri (which implies merely putting together various components sourced from abroad, produced by someone else). In this deal, we will be the producers of a significant amount of Falcon's components.

    Either way, it results in skill-development of Reliance staff, job-creation and above all - it readies an industrial foundation on which future MRCAs can be produced using latest production methods (fast-paced).

    Nowadays we're paying so much attention to the 'development' side of aircraft that we shouldn't forget that production capacity too is a very important thing. The more private players are capable of running an aerospace production plant, the better.
     
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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    HAL has found Tier-1 and tier-2 supplier for LCA in India. Do you still think we are incapable of making parts for aircraft?
     

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