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First Scorpene submarine would be ready by 2014: French envoy

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  1. Anees

    Anees Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    First Scorpene submarine would be ready by 2014: French envoy


    PANAJI: The first of the six Scorpene submarines ordered by the Indian Navy from French firm DCNS in 2005, as part of the technology transfer between the two countries, will be rolled out by 2014, France's top diplomat in India said today.

    "The first submarine would be ready by 2014, heralding an important and strategic tie-up between both the nations on the defence front", said Francois Richier, Ambassador of France in India, adding the rest of five submarines would be delivered every subsequent year.

    "Such kind of submarines are important for Indian Navy considering the long coast it has to guard", he said.

    Richier is in Goa to visit French Destroyer 'FNS Montcalm' which is here as the part of training exercises with the Indian Navy.

    The six Scorpenes are being constructed at the Mazagon Dockyards Limited (MDL) in Mumbai under Project-75 under technology transfer from French firm DCNS.

    The government approval for construction of the six submarines was accorded in September 2005 at a total cost of Rs 18,798 crore and the contract was signed in October that year.

    The project cost was revised to Rs 23,562 crore in February 2010, along with revision in delivery schedule.

    "The induction of Scorpene submarines would enhance Indian Navy's capabilities to conduct exercises in the open sea. These are the last generation of conventional submarines", a senior French naval officer said.

    Designed for coastal defence against under-water threats, the 1,750-tonne submarine-submarine-killer (SSK) Scorpene is 67 meters in length and can dive to a depth of 300 meters. ccording to French naval officials, the submarine can stay at sea for 45 days with a crew of 31.

    The standard version has six torpedo tubes and anti-shipping missile launchers.


    First Scorpene submarine would be ready by 2014: French envoy - The Economic Times
     
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  2. Averageamerican

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    Malaysian Scorpene submarine develops snags

    Kuala Lumpur: Just five months after induction, Malaysia's first submarine, a French made Scorpene has developed serious problems, raising question mark over India's acquisition of the same deepwater warfare machine.

    The defects in the submarine KD Tunku Abdul Rahman, named after country's first Prime Minister, have delayed navy's tropical water trials which had to be stopped as the vessel was found unfit for diving, Defence Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi told reporters.

    The submarine, the first of the two, was purchased for a staggering 3.4 billion ringgits (USD 961 million). The defects forced a three-month delay in the completion of the trials with the manufacturer DCNS (France) having to extend the warranty.

    Navy Chief Abdul Aziz Jafar told Malay Mail that the problems have emerged in the submarine's cooling system last December and then again last month.

    "We hope the manufacturer rectify the faults so we can complete the trials," he said. The Malaysian Navy is expecting the delivery of its second submarine by May.


    The acquisition of the submarine has been embroiled in controversy with opposition claiming that huge kickbacks had been paid to the ruling party leaders.

    In a USD 3 billion deal signed in 2005, India is to manufacture six Scorpene submarines under licence and technology transfer at Mazagoan docks Mumbai.

    The first of these submarines was expected to roll out by 2012, but the delay in technology transfer has setback the project by more than a year.

    According to Malay Mail the contractual completion of the Malaysian trials was to be completed by January 25, but now DCNS has agreed to rectify all the faults so that the trials can be completed by May.

    Malaysian Scorpene submarine develops snags
     
  3. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Seems like the production is getting pace now, good for IN, whished they would get some AIPs for the last Scorpenes and finalise the P75I competition too.

    [MENTION=8921]Picdelamirand-oil[/MENTION] Any news about the naval Scalp missile development and possible availablity for exports?
     
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  4. Rock n Rolla

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    We need more shipyards... :india:
     
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    MBDA announces the first submarine launch of SCALP Naval, France’s future cruise missile
    20/06/2011


    The first submarine launch as part of the SCALP Naval / MdCN (Missile de Croisière Naval) programme was carried out successfully by the French DGA (Direction Générale
    de l’Armement) at its Ile du Levant missile test centre in the Mediterranean on 8th June 2011.

    Using an underwater platform simulating the launch conditions prevailing on the future Barracuda nuclear-powered attack submarine, this firing permitted all the intended test objectives to be demonstrated: the validation of the launch phase with the subsequent change of environment from water to air as well as the missile’s flight.

    The positive outcome of this trial helps validate the definition of SCALP Naval / MdCN in its submarine configuration as well as validate the missile’s commonality concept for the two types of launch platform. It also adds to the success of the first vertical launch achieved in a frigate configuration last year. These two achievements constitute a major step in the SCALP Naval / MdCN development programme by removing the risk associated with the launch phases from the two types of launch platform, namely frigates and submarines.

    As a result of this total success, the convergence of the MdCN missile programme with those of the two launch platforms, the entry into service of the FREMM frigate in 2014 and the Barracuda submarine in 2017, has been firmly confirmed.

    Following the test launch, Antoine Bouvier, MBDA’s CEO, said: “I would especially like to congratulate the MBDA and government teams for the total success of this firing. SCALP Naval is in effect a priority for us all. It goes without saying that the most recent operations have served to remind us of the strategic necessity of a sovereign capability weapon for first strike“.
    Missile systems, defence systems - MBDA missiles

    The first shot of a full MdCN was successfully completed 9 July 2012 from the Missile Launch Test Center Biscarosse. In this third development shot , all objectives were met, including the validation of the terminal phase-guided with autonomous recognition of infrared scene which ensures very high precision of impact. The fourth shot was successfully performed on October 24, 2012 from the Levant site in submarine configuration.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    Hi, yes read similar older reports too, but isn't the timeframe related to the induction of the Barracuda class? The missile should be ready earlier or and did you heared anything about an export version?
     
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    Development is ended, everything else is Policy, Industrialisation, budget, negociation can start if needed.
     
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    NEW DELHI: The Scorpene submarine project underway in Mumbai has suffered fresh troubles, with a new assessment showing another 18 months of delay even as its Spanish consultants have left the venture.

    According to sources, Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL) has informed the Navy that the project would be delayed by another 18 months from the 2015 deadline announced by defence minister AK Antony in Parliament last year.

    Going by the latest MDL projections, the first Scorpene submarine would be ready for induction only by 2016-end. When the contract was signed, the first submarine was to be ready in 2012. However, the delay could be worse, according to other developments over the last few days.

    Consultants from Navantia, the Spanish shipbuilding company, left the project in the last few days. The technical assistance pact for Navantia and DCNS, the French partner in the consortium, expired on March 31, sources said. With MDL failing to get the defence ministry's approval in time, about 10 Spanish consultants working on the submarine project left India. This could further add to the delay, sources said.

    Adding to the troubles over the massive submarine project, with a budget of over Rs 23,000 crore, is the fact that the DCNS leadership is expected to meet with MDL top brass this week in Mumbai and present their own demand for additional technical assistance fee.

    The developments come at a time when India's submarine fleet is expected to dwindle to just seven or so in two years time. Presently, India operates 10 ageing Russian Kilo class and four German HDW submarines. Indian Navy also has a Russian nuclear submarine INS Chakra on lease.

    The Scorpene project, among the biggest defence deals signed by India till now, was concluded in October 2005. Over the years, the project has run into several delays. Originally, the first submarine was to be delivered in 2012. However, because of the complications and two-year delay in concluding contracts related to material to be procured by MDL, the project got delayed by three years.

    Delivery by end-2016

    Hulls for all six submarines, made of steel supplied by French division of ArcelorMittal, are ready in Mumbai, and the outfitting of equipment and systems is underway. With the Spanish consultants quitting, work on the part of the hull that they were responsible for could be delayed.

    According to the new estimates, the first submarine will be ready for commissioning by end of 2016. And then, a new submarine could be ready for induction every 9-12 months.

    According to the present projections, the last two submarines would have air independent propulsion systems (AIP) that would help the submarine stay underway water for one to three extra weeks. Without AIP, a Scorpene submarine can stay underwater continuously for five to six days. DRDO is presently developing an indigenous AIP, with assistance from DCNS. Initial assessments about the indigenous AIP system is said to be very good though with only about two weeks of endurance.

    Scorpene submarine project to miss target again as Spanish consultants quit - The Times of India
     
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    Which one is true 2014 or 2016 ?
     
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    Why do we still prefer to have the diesel powered scorpene submarines when we got the nuclear powered Arihant ones. Is it too tough to modify the next generation Arihants to SSKs??
     
  12. Rock n Rolla

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    seems it will be 2016 end :slowride:
     
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    high maintenance cost if im not wrong
     
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