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Former ISI chief knew of Osama's Pak hideout: Report

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  1. Marqueur

    Marqueur Peaceful Silence ELITE MEMBER

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    NEW YORK /ISLAMABAD: Former ISI chief Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha knew of Osama bin Laden's hideout in Pakistan and LeT founder Hafiz Saeed was in regular contact with the slain al-Qaida chief, a media report said.

    Soon after the US Navy SEAL raid on bin Laden's house, "a Pakistani official told me the US had direct evidence that the ISI chief, Lt Gen Ahmed Shuja Pasha, knew of Bin Laden's presence in Abbottabad," the New York Times reported in an article by senior journalist Carlotta Gall.

    "The information came from a senior US official, and I guessed that the Americans had intercepted a phone call of Pasha's or one about him in the days after the raid," Gall wrote in the article titled 'What Pakistan Knew About Bin Laden', adapted from the book "The Wrong Enemy: America in Afghanistan, 2001-2014', to be published next month.

    Gall covered Afghanistan and Pakistan for the paper from 2001 to 2013.

    "He knew of Osama's whereabouts, yes," the Pakistani official was quoted as saying.

    "Pasha was always their blue-eyed boy," the official said, adding he was surprised to learn this.

    Reacting to the NYT report, Pakistani intelligence sources dismissed it as "baseless".

    "There is no truth in the NYT report. It is a totally baseless story. Nobody in Pakistan knew about the presence of Osama bin Laden," a Pakistani intelligence source said.

    The report added that the haul of handwritten notes, letters, computer files and other information collected from bin Laden's house during the raid revealed regular correspondence "between Bin Laden and a string of militant leaders who must have known he was living in Pakistan, including Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, the founder of Lashkar-e-Taiba, a pro-Kashmiri group that has also been active in Afghanistan, and Mullah Omar of the Taliban".

    "Saeed and Omar are two of the ISI's most important and loyal militant leaders. Both are protected by the agency. Both cooperate closely with it, restraining their followers from attacking the Pakistani state and coordinating with Pakistan's greater strategic plans.

    "Any correspondence the two men had with Bin Laden would probably have been known to their ISI handlers," it said.

    Saeed, who is wanted by Indian security agencies in connection with the 2008 Mumbai attacks, also denied the report. He came live on various TV channels in Pakistan besides using his twitter handle to deny the charges.

    Bin Laden was shot dead by US commandos in May 2012 in a unilateral raid by them, catching the Pakistanis by surprise.

    It was always suspected that some on the Pakistani establishment knew bin Laden's whereabouts as he was living a stone-throw away from the military academy in Abbottabad.

    "According to one inside source, the ISI actually ran a special desk assigned to handle Bin Laden. It was operated independently, led by an officer who made his own decisions and did not report to a superior. He handled only one person: Bin Laden," the daily reported.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...s-Pak-hideout-Report/articleshow/32313994.cms
     
  2. Averageamerican

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    I am sure the USA listen into every phone call, computer message and fax in Pakistan, soon as some one said Osama we would have been on it. Not sure why it took so long to just run down one man in a population of only 200 million..
     
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    Guess everyone except the USA knew where Bin Laden was staying
     
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    Hes dead.
     
  5. Jungibaaz

    Jungibaaz Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    NYT strikes again, rubbish claims, and false cooked up story from the old Iraq war propaganda machine, the NYT.

    Only 200 mill?

    That's a huge number, and if you consider the 3rd world status, poor law and order situation, possible supporters from within.

    Finding Osama was a tough task. But he shouldn't be alive at all, he should have been taken out in the 90's, or in the initial bombing run or then in the Tora Bora encounter.
     
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    I agree that's what we do with the drones now days, take out the Osama bin Ladens early
     
  7. Jungibaaz

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    I disagree on that, drones now, even if they are being used more carefully have a perception about them now that the perception alone nullifies any sort of gain at all.

    Though in Pakistan even they will be coming to an end very soon, the Pak Army, was very very very close to storming North Waziristan in the previous weeks, but ina desperate attempt, the TTP begged to restart peace talks, and the stupid GoP once more agreed to hold talks.

    edit: Oh and AA, I will give you some credit though. The opinions you had with you when you first joined have changed for the better, even if that's a slight change. It shows some open-mindedness and decision based on rational thought. Kudos.
     
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    Come on your intelligent enough to know you cant run any country based on a primitive backward religion, Pakistan is proof of that.
     
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    I did say "WAS" didn't I?
     
  10. Soumya

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    US always suspected Pakistan for sheltering Osama

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    In the aftermath of the May 2011 killing of Osama bin Laden in a covert American raid in Abbottabad, the top most government and intelligence officials of the United States including President Obama and CIA Director Leon Panetta had pointed the finger of suspicion at the Pakistani establishment for sheltering the fugitive al-Qaeda chief.

    The Pakistani authorities have strongly refuted The New York Times report which alleged that the ISI had established a special independent desk to handle bin Laden. There are reports in the media saying the US intelligence had recorded the telephonic conversation between General Ashfaq Kayani and Lt Gen Ahmad Shuja Pasha after the Abbottabad assault, which actually led Washington to believe that the Pakistani establishment did not know of Osama bin Laden’s presence.

    Laura Lucas Magnuson, a spokesperson for the United States National Security Council, has been quoted as saying that the US has no reason to believe that senior Pakistani officials had knowledge about the location of Osama bin Laden.

    However, allegations of a support system in Pakistan for bin Laden had been made by senior American officials both before and after he was hunted and killed in a compound in Abbottabad which was located half a mile from the Kakul Military Academy. As far as the allegations of ISI’s involvement in sheltering Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad are concerned, the first such claim was made by none other than Obama, asking the Pakistani authorities to investigate the network that had been sheltering him.

    “We think there had to be some sort of support network for Osama bin Laden inside of Pakistan and that’s something that we have to investigate. More importantly, Pakistani government has to investigate”, said Obama in ‘60 Minutes interview’ of CBS news on May 6, 2011.

    In addition to this, in an interview with the TIME magazine on May 7, 2011, the CIA Director Leon Panetta had stated that Pakistan was either involved in sheltering Osama or it was incompetent. “Obviously, the American concern has always been how could a compound like the one in Abbottabad, how could Osama bin Laden be in an area where there were military establishments, where we could see the military operating and not have them know. The concern we had is that we had provided intelligence to them with regards to other areas and unfortunately, for one way or another, it got leaked to the individuals we were trying to go after, so as a result of that we were concerned that if we were going to perform a sensitive mission like this, we had to do it on our own”, he added.

    President Obama’s chief counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan had reacted by saying: “It is inconceivable that Osama bin Laden did not have support system in the country that allowed him to remain there for extended period of time. People are referring to this as hiding in plain sight. We are looking at how he was able to hide out there for so long.”

    Carl Levin, the chairman US Senate Committee on Armed Services, stated that the Pakistani officials knew the location of bin Laden and had no doubt they also know the location of other senior al-Qaeda operatives.

    He said Pakistan’s intelligence and army have got a lot of explaining to do, given that bin Laden was holed up in such a large house with surrounding buildings. The US government files leaked by WikiLeaks subsequently disclosed on February 27, 2012 that American diplomats were told that the Pakistani security services were tipping off bin Laden every time the American forces approached. WikiLeaks claimed while citing secret documents seized from Abbottabad compound of bin Laden that the al-Qaeda chief was in routine contact with several ISI officials. The claim was made by US intelligence analysis firm Stratfor in emails which were made public by WikiLeaks. Stratfor was shown the information papers collected from Laden’s compound after the May 2, 2011 raid. As per the WikiLeaks claims, up to 12 ISI officials knew of Osama’s high-walled three-storey compound.

    Quoting unnamed senior US intelligence officials, the British newspaper The Telegraph had claimed on August 10, 2011 that Osama was protected by elements of Pakistan’s security apparatus in return for millions of dollars of Saudi cash. And his whereabouts were finally revealed when a Pakistani intelligence officer came forward to claim the $25m bounty on his head. The Pakistani officials have always denied that Osama was sheltered or that Islamabad had any knowledge of the secret mission that killed him.

    The Telegraph report stated: “The ISI officer came forward to claim the reward and to broker US citizenship for his family”.

    In November 2011, Chuck Pfarrer, a former US Navy Seal, in his book “Seal Target Geronimo”, wrote: “The ISI was aware of Osama bin Laden’s hideout in Abbottabad and the spy agency officials also provided protection and safe houses to his then deputy Dr Ayman al-Zawahiri”. The ISI knew exactly where he was, but did not inform the US. They continued to let bin Laden pace back and forth in his compound,” Pfarrer wrote in his 225-page book which gave a blow by blow account of the Osama killing, claiming that the ISI officials periodically checked on Osama.

    The American allegations apart, a high-level judicial commission set up by the Pakistan government to investigate the Abbottabad raid had observed: “Collective negligence by the intelligence agencies was the main reason the al-Qaeda chief remained undetected for so long. However, it could not rule out some degree of plausibly deniable support at some level outside formal structures of the intelligence establishment”.

    According to the leaked contents of the 336-page Abbottabad Commission report [which has not yet been made public under the pressure of establishment], “there was evidence of incompetence at every level in Pakistan’s intelligence and security services”. It found that by 2005, Pakistani intelligence was no longer actively pursuing intelligence that could lead to his capture. The report called the handling of the bin Laden situation a “natural disaster” and even asked the national leadership to apologise to the people of Pakistan for their dereliction of duty.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-6-239778-US-always-suspected-Pakistan-for-sheltering-Osama
     
  11. Jungibaaz

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    Know that I am for Pakistan distancing itself from involving state and religion. And especially the clergy and politics.

    However, it's not as simple as that, Pakistan is a mess of problems, thrown in is foreign issues and you have a perfect catalyst for a shit storm.
     
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    Any country based on religion is going to be a mess, mainly because of resistance to change. Everybody is not going to live according to some one religious beliefs. The other end of the problem is those that firmly believe some times think they have the right to kill others to don't believe as they do.
     
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