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France and Germany to Develop New European 5th Generation Fighter Jet

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by Vergennes, Jul 13, 2017.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    http://www.defenseworld.net/news/21...Favor_with_European_Nations__Airbus_D___S_CEO
     
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    This so called Joint fighter will be a bigger disaster than Typhoon and F-35 put together
     
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    Yeah, sure, asking Airbus to make the next generation jet fighter sounds like a great idea. After all, the A400M, is an excellent example of sterling project management by Airbus Military.

    In exchange, the next generation main battle tank can be made by Peugeot, right? They've got as much experience with tanks as Airbus has with combat aircraft.


    Okay more seriously. Get Airbus, Dassault, and why not Saab and Leonardo to compete for the design; complete with realization of a tech demonstrator for 2020. All components must be EU-sourced exclusively. Tech demonstrators are then evaluated on their performances on several key points (weapon system integration, naval operations, cold weather, hot weather, high altitude, etc.) and the winner gets built.
     
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    The funniest aviation article I've ever read in my life.
     
  6. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    You do realise that the biggest problem of the A400 are the engines right?

    Apart from that, Germany and Italy were partners in Tornado, EF and have experience with other aircrafts as well, Germany and Spain also have developed TVC. Italy has good optronics and EW systems, so there is already a good base available from the EF and the coming upgrades, to be used for a NG fighter. Experience and technology, just as weapons are not the issue, joint funding and deciding how to move forward with a joint EU navy and carriers in future will be more problematic.

    Saab has to enter as the 2nd largest player in European aviation past Brexit, just as Thales can't afford to be left out either and leave Saab and Selex the radar and EW field in Europe. This project, just as the NG MBT, that surely will be another German / French project (both developing 140mm guns already), have big prospects for the EU.
     
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    Nah, the biggest problem with the A400M isn't the engine, because it's a problem that has an easy fix.

    The biggest problems with the A400M are airborne helicopter refueling and dual-side paratroop dropping. Because those problems are aerodynamic issues, which means that there is no easy fix. You can't just replace a gearbox and get it to work as it was always expected to. You need to find workarounds; and if you can't find them, you'll have to simply admit that the aircraft will never be able to fulfill one of its requirements.
     
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    Not really, since reliability of the engine and the gear box are continuing to cause issues.

    The opposite is the case, the paradrop can be done from the rear ramp as well, just as it's done from C17 or C130s. The helicopter refuelling, requires longer hoses, that then gives more stability during refuelling, which is already in work. So no aerodynamic change here either.
     
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    Another joint German / French / Spanish project, lead by Airbus:

    http://defence.airbus.com/portfolio/uav/future-europen-male/
     
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    Why are you demoted from being a mod....



    MOD: Muhahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahhaha
     
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    Looks like movable LERX similar to Su 57, which is the logical evolution of the canard design.

    P.S. VLO, twin seater, possibly medium class, that's pretty much what IAF wanted FGFA to be.
     
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