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France and Germany to Develop New European 5th Generation Fighter Jet

Discussion in 'Europe & Russia' started by Vergennes, Jul 13, 2017.

  1. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    This is what the FGFA is advertised to be able to do.
     
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    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    zthe design of LSA/MSA is superior to this design already.
     
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  4. randomradio

    randomradio Colonel Technical Analyst

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    If you are referring to the airframe design, it seems to be some generic design they made for the sake of publicity.
     
  5. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Translated

    http://www.air-cosmos.com/airbus-presente-sa-vision-du-systeme-de-combat-aerien-du-futur-102809
     
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    The German Air Force has a shortlist of existing platforms to replace its Panavia Tornados from 2025 to 2030, but the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) is the service’s “preferred choice", a senior service official said on 8 November.

    Speaking under the Chatham House Rule, the official said that the F-35 already fulfils most of the requirements that the Luftwaffe requires to replace its Tornados in the 2025 to 2030 timeframe, and that it offers a number of other benefits besides.

    “The Tornado replacement needs to be fifth-generation aircraft that can be detected as late as possible, if at all. It must be able to identify targets from a long way off and to target them as soon as possible.

    “The German Ministry of Defence [MoD] is looking at several aircraft today, including the F-35 – it is commercially available already, has been ordered by many nations and is being introduced into service today, and has most of the capabilities required.”

    Germany had previously engaged Airbus Defence and Space (DS) in defining the requirements for a future Tornado replacement under its Future Combat Air System (FCAS) programme. However, the timelines involved of an anticipated retirement of the Tornado in about 2030 has caused the Luftwaffe to look instead at an already developed platform. As the official explained, “The timeframe suggests we need to start introducing successor in about 2025 to cover the Tornado retirement in 2030 – we need a five-year transition phase. That is only seven years away, and so it is very unlikely that industry could develop and introduce an entirely new aircraft type that fulfils the functionalities that we require. History show that the Eurofighter took 25 years before the first aircraft was introduced.”

    http://www.janes.com/article/75511/germany-declares-preference-for-f-35-to-replace-tornado


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    Good Lord... The British and the Germans had their panties in a twist when Typhoon was declared L2 in MMRCA. Why is Typhoon not considered?.
     
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    "a senior service official said on 8 November."

    A sergent? LOL. it's BS news.
     
  9. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    It can work: I always said that F-35 will be operational in 2031, so in 2025 the hardware will be OK and the software will be in the process of being finalized (five years for that) so German plan is correct. But it means that it will not be a German FCAS, France will turn rather to the Franco/British FCAS.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    =>

    http://indiandefence.com/threads/rafale-deal-signed.56201/page-481#post-604981
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    http://www.janes.com/article/75550/airbus-reveals-future-new-fighter-concept
     
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    Strange. I thought they would have gone for the 'far superior' Rafale. Perhaps they're concerned that Spectra might make the entire EU disappear.
     
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    No canards or tailplane. Either it's inherently stable, or it will crash.
     

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