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France, India to cooperate on space launchers, Moon mission

Discussion in 'Education & Research' started by GSLV Mk III, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. GSLV Mk III

    GSLV Mk III Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    France, India to cooperate on space launchers, Moon mission

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    France and India have signed agreements to work together on technology for future launchers and on India’s upcoming lunar rover mission.

    On the occasion of a visit to Bangalore by French foreign minister Jean-Marc Ayrault on 9th January, Jean-Yves Le Gall, president of French space agency CNES, and AS Kiran Kumar, president of ISRO, signed an agreement to create a joint working group on future launcher technology. ISRO engineers will be trained at CNES and a working group will subsequently evaluate synergies on current developments and will look at projects for future concepts, particularly in relation to reusable launchers. Cooperation between the two countries in the space sector dates back to the 1960s.

    France and India will also work together on an entrepreneurial space project. Jean-Yves Le Gall and Rahul Narayan, CEO of Axial Research Labs, signed an agreement covering CNES participation in the privately funded TeamIndus mission planned for January 2018. CNES will provide two latest-generation micro-cameras developed in cooperation with a French firm, 3DPlus. It will be the first time that French technology has been used on a Moon mission.

    Team Indus is the only Indian team competing for the Google Lunar XPRIZE. The $30M Google Lunar XPRIZE is a global competition to encourage engineers and entrepreneurs to develop low-cost methods of robotic space exploration. To win, a privately funded team must successfully place a robot on the Moon that explores at least 500m and transmits high-definition video and images back to Earth.

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    anant_s Encyclopedia Technical Analyst

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  3. AbRaj

    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Any cooperation with France is welcome. Ariane Space is pioneer in satellite launch Industry.
    And they're developing some real bad ass launch vehicles
    A62 payload is 5,000 kg while
    A64: 11,000 kg or 10,000 kg (22,000 lb) with dual payload at GTO
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  4. GSLV Mk III

    GSLV Mk III Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    I think ISRO is looking at VTVL in the medium term.

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    Meanwhile Ariane V will feature Adeline in the near future.

     
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    Within next 5 years India will have Ariane 5 class Rockets and what they can launch India will be able to do that at half cost. That's the reason for co-operation why till now they were not offering such cooperation. It is only when ISRO is knocking on their doors they are offering this deal.
     
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  6. Gessler

    Gessler Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Around the time LVM3 is ready, they'll have the Ariane-6. Anyway that's not why we're cooperating.

    Space agencies the world over have realized that unless they seriously get in on the Re-usable bandwagon, their launch solutions will be rendered cost-prohibitive sooner or later. SpaceX is stealing a considerable lead and they will attain a global monopoly unless the other agencies create similar, even cheaper solutions in order to keep the launch industry competitive. Russia, EU, China, India and even Japan have some re-usable concept in some stage of conceptual design/prototype testing. International cooperation & work-sharing can speed-up this process considerably.

    India is already testing the technologies for the RLV-TD, and we have plans for VTOL rockets like Falcon 9 on the drawing board. If we work closely with CNES, it's possible that we'll be able to realize this concept much sooner. Technological and economic investment AND the benefits we get in return can be shared. Nothing wrong in that - it'll still be a massive leap over ISRO/Antrix Corp.'s current business prospects.

    Time is money - need to get Falcon 9-competitors ready ASAP.

    That aside, we have loads of other areas we can cooperate in - like propulsion tech (our Vikas engines were actually based on French Viking-series designs). Our cryo, semi-cryo and ion-based thrusters (for satellite orbital movements) can be improved, up-scaled, or even jointly exported to other countries. We've already made a handful of joint satellite projects (Megha-Tropiques, SARAL, etc.) and we can make more. We have an agreement with NASA to jointly develop the world's first dual-band SweepSAR satellite (NISAR) by 2020 period - maybe we can do something similar with France/EU? Possibilities are endless.

    There is something that European space agencies are very good at - Space Sciences. I think ESA/Arianespace conduct more scientific missions as a percentage of total launches than any other agency in the world. That's something India can learn a lot from and France-CNES cooperation can be a gateway to that.

    Also, ISRO-CNES have previously announced the possibility of cooperation wrt MOM-2, our second trip to Mars around 2020. I've heard MOM-2 will be larger & carry more payloads, but it's still only an orbiter. Maybe with CNES on board, we can work out a lander+rover too? Between now and 2020, India will put 3 rovers on Luna (Team Indus' ECA, Japanese Team Hakuto rover and Chandrayaan-2) and I think by 2020, a rover to Mars should be a possibility.

    And if not for anything else...the more missions we do, the more stamps we get to print! :india::France:

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    GSLV Mk III Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Yeah right. Try launching one single Mars Orbiter for $75 million & you'll have Socialist hippies like Jean Dreze & Lutyen’s journalists criticizing 'delusional quest of Indian elite for superpower status' :lol:
     
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    An individual is allowed to have his opinion. :computer1:
     
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    This is one awesome LV,
    but...
    it has a looooooooooooong way to go...


    The Core stage here is SC500
    The engine to be used here is a cluster of 5 SEC200 Engines...

    We are yet to test one SCE200, One single SCE200 will be done by...2020 Perhaps...

    Then there will be mammoth task of Clustering them....Not just 2 or 3 but 5 of them...it will take years....beyond 2020..

    Once SC500 stage is realised..Then ISRO can perhaps make 100-150t LV's too...

    Because the SC500 stage will have some 9000~10000 KN of thrust...which will perhaps make it the most powerful liquid stage
    in existence...

    Anyway....This has a long way to go...
     
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  10. AbRaj

    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    By that logic LCA must have the capability of Rafale since they are selling it to us now
     
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    No but jet engine technology is being offered for offset as we have 75 to 80 % jet engine puzzle as claimed by Safran itself. Also MII being offered by all major manufacturers with significant TOT can be seen in that light. Until now only Russia parted with TOT in whatever sense on fighters with India. All aerospace giants like Thales, BAE, Salex, Elta are coming to India, it is only because LCA has matured enough and they now want to milk Indian cow for one last time until we move to AMCA and get hands on Indigenous technology. This also is good for them as it prevents India to do R&D on such technologies thereby creating a competitor for them.
     
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    AbRaj Captain FULL MEMBER

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    Oh. That means since Russian have given us TOT of SU 30 therefore we are now at par with Russian in Fighter jet production ( as su 30 was there best Fighter at that time )
    What you say ???

    PS. I don't like this TOT bullshit. Its meant only to make fool of the gullible civilians.
    Otherwise everyone related to this field know what TOT is all about.
    We should not flatten ourselves with words like these
     
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    If Parriker is to be believed, Russians gave us shit. He even used example of Russians not giving us anything in ,lieu of 270 Su30s, for negotiating hard with Dassault.
     
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    He is a wise man
     
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    Oh ho ho......Wah.....Wah...
    I couldn't have said it better myself brother....


    This is how things work people...Nobody gives full ToT...they just give enough for Local Manufacturing....
    AbRaj has wonderfully highlighted the Su30 case for reference too...

    Wah......
     
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