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France opens two high-speed lines

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  1. Vergennes

    Vergennes Strategist Staff Member MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    FRENCH National Railways (SNCF) officially opened two extensions to its TGV Atlantique network on July 1: TGV Océane from Tours to Bordeaux and TGV Bretagne-Pays de la Loire from Le Mans to Rennes.


    The first special train departed Paris Montparnasse at 08.41 and arrived in Bordeaux a couple of minutes ahead of the scheduled arrival time of 10.45.

    An opening ceremony was staged in Bordeaux attended by politicians including Mr Alain Juppé mayor of Bordeaux, transport minister Mrs Elisabeth Borne, and Mr Nicolas Hulot, secretary of state for ecology, sustainable development and energy, as well as Mr Guillaume Pepy, president of SNCF, who said these are the ninth and tenth high-speed lines to open in France.

    “I have a simple vision: TGV must remain accessible to everyone,” Borne declared. “We want to increase the number of people using rail.”
    This was echoed by Hulot who said: “Transport must be available to all.”

    The new lines will cut Paris – Bordeaux journey times by 1h 10min to 2h 4min while Paris – Rennes will be 39 minutes faster with a 2h 25min trip time.

    “We will provide 5000 extra seats per day between Paris and Bordeaux with half hourly services during peak periods,” said Mrs Helen Picard, CEO of SNCF Voyages. “Our policy is to go for volume with low prices to transform travel. Our goal is to switch 100% of air travel on this route to train.”

    Picard explained that the new inOui brand will be added to the well-established TGV name to represent an enhancement of the service with new or refurbished trains and better onboard service including Wi-Fi. “We have trained 5000 personnel to provide passengers with a better service and we will train another 10,000.”

    SNCF will also introduce its low-cost TGV service, Ouigo, on the Bordeaux route when the lines start commercial service on July 2. “Ouigo’s cost per seat is half that of TGV,” Picard said. “Ouigo is a way to get a big share of the low-cost market which is growing. One out of two Ouigo passengers would not have taken TGV had Ouigo not existed“We are the only railway which has been able to build a low-cost high-speed service itself,” Picard said. “Ouigo is now breaking even after three years.”

    A second inaugural TGV ran from Bordeaux via Angers to Rennes on the afternoon of July 1 while a third train carrying the new French president Mr Emmanuel Macron ran from Paris to Rennes.

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  2. Ankit Kumar 001

    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Can HSR of TVG, E5 Bullet Train and Bombardier/Siemens interoperate ?

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    anant_s Encyclopedia Technical Analyst

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    No.
    The in-cab signalling in TGV and Shinkansen are very different, making interoperability ruled out at this moment.
     
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    Why is the cost surprisingly low compared to our proposed 500km line ?

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    anant_s Encyclopedia Technical Analyst

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    Multiplicative effect of mass production.
    & this is one reason why i believe India must concentrate on only one technology (be it Japanese, French, Chinese or Spanish) for its HST plans, if we really wish to see HST succeed in India.
    Running behind too many different technologies will prove a financial blunder in long run.
     
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    How much is the difference? Interoperability not possible?
     
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    anant_s Encyclopedia Technical Analyst

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    Difficult to comment, but as a thumbrule, Chinese followed by French followed by Japanese in increasing order of cost.
    Unfortunately no.
    see reply #3 above.
     
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    So, for Ahmadabad to Delhi we have to go for Japanese?
     
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    Japan offered a lucrative deal including a very soft loan funding option for the project. hence the contract!
     
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    I'm asking about the next phase. Ahmadabad to Delhi (1000+km).
     
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    Are we going to indigenize HSR technology as china did?
    Do we have any plan?
     
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    I see.
    There are plans to lay new HST between NDLS and Mumbai and considering the fact that JICA is funding entre Western Industrial Corridor (not just western DFC), it is logical that HST lines are also allocated to Japan.
    However as our recent experience of acquiring 9000 HP locomotives from Kawasaki has shown, Japan bargains very hard even at the cost of letting go an order, so Del-Mum HST will be a tough nut to crack for Indian planners.
     

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