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French Barracuda project’s utility to India

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by PARIKRAMA, Nov 29, 2017.

  1. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Let's not waste time with digressions.
    -continue and finish the current plan for nuclear construction in India
    -Give the next set of 6 diesel electrics to Scorpene and get them built in time making use of existing construction facilities

    Start plans for next gen designs right now so that in 10 years we will be ready to build the next gen ships. The rest of it is just digressions and BS. Listen to presentations, eat the cake and come back
     
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    _Anonymous_ 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    If @PARIKRAMA 's post is true not only will the Project 75 (I) , but also the SSN - in all likelihood DE and N versions of the Barracuda and perhaps IAC -2 will see French collaboration.

    We may also see another 3 Scorpenes added to Project 75 under the optional clause .Hopefully with the AIP from DRDO if not the one from DCNS.
     
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    On the face of it , looks like a compelling argument .Let's hope things proceed to plan .
     
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    Angel Eyes 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    P 75i is required so that a private shipyard could get the ability to build a modern SSK
     
  5. Guynextdoor

    Guynextdoor Lt. Colonel SENIOR MEMBER

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    Collaboration is one thing but derailing existing plans to explore all kinds of new possibilities is BS. Typically these contractors pay for a new route to be explored. 6 submarines delivered in time in the next deade and a new gen added the next decade is wayyyy better than the plans getting derailed and a new sub with pump jet coming in 12 years.

    The scoprnes themselves have been delayed by 10 years. Abandoning the construction facilities built over this time for a new set of 6 submarines so that ambani can build tthem means those subs will enter service 15 years leater when current run of scorpenes can add them in 6.
     
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    Welcome to India . Actually they ought to order another 6 Scorpenes from the MDL under Project 75 , leave alone the 3 which is optional . God knows how desperately the IN needs it . Yet , we haven't seen any sign of the 3 we can immediately procure too. God and our MoD function in mysterious ways .
     
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    kurup 2nd Lieutant IDF NewBie

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    According to article same is required for Arihant
     
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    kurup 2nd Lieutant IDF NewBie

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    That's because Arihant uses our 1st gen reactor which is not advanced as others' and it's enrichment is lower compared to the other life-of-the ship reactors operated by likes of US , UK and Russia .
     
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  12. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    More or less both, because our nuclear subs are indeed largely influenced by Russia and the P75I deal might get us a chance to get a similar deal as Brazil, with assistance for nuclear propulsions for subs.

    However, the opening article is mainly an interesting report on the tender, but the author spins it a bit further, with some speculstions on the vist of Admiral Lanba in France. It's not a report from a source with insides and the bigest problem is, that he doesn't take INs requirements for the P75I to account. For example, there is a big size and displacement difference, between a Scorpene SSK and a Barracuda class sub. So does it fit the requirements?
    Also the French have offer Brazil a deal for Scorpene hulls and assistance with nuclear propulsion, while Australia got the none nuclear version of the Barracuda class. Which also shows the difference of requirements and why it makes it difficult to make a direct comparison to our tender unless we have a better idea about the specifics.

    Not to mention that we can't rule out the Russians yet either. The sub field is an important one for them and India a prime customer. The lease of a 2nd Akula SSN and further assistance surely will be part of their offer, as much as customisations.
     
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    The Delta is a SSBN. That should tell you how much our SSN design is based on it.
     
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    Its Alfa not Delphin class .My apologies . That'd be the class on which our next gen SSBN is to be based in . I was referring to our SSN Hunter Killer N submarine.Thats reportedly based on the the Alfa class according to PKS.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa-class_submarine
     
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    Which in turn raises the question .Do we have 2 programmes for our SSN submarines - one based on the Alfa class and the other on the Barracuda class ? Or are we hedging between the French and the Russians ?
     

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