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French, European Militaries Backing Offensive in Mali

Discussion in 'The Americas' started by Manmohan Yadav, Jan 11, 2013.

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  1. SajeevJino

    SajeevJino Major SENIOR MEMBER

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    Is you guys Starts getting aid from Russia
     
  2. Picdelamirand-oil

    Picdelamirand-oil Lt. Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Mali: France prepares to send Leclerc tanks

    A BPC with 120 vehicles on board left Toulon. The Army has increased its stock of first aid spare parts for a deployment of Leclerc tanks. France's current cost estimation of the Serval operation is 30 million.
     
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    Why Americans are not in Mali

    Even the tanker, which France has a pressing need, fall into the category of weapons by destination - and are therefore denied. This time in Mali no "leadership from behind" as in Libya, Obama preferred theory, which is to "lead from behind." It is only in the field of intelligence that France benefits from American largesse.

    In reality, this "low profile" falls deeper factors, resulting in a substantive divergence between Washington and Paris. Last year, the United States opposed the draft resolution submitted by France to authorize the sending of an African force in Mali, because they resented the French concept of mixing political process of national reconciliation and triggering a military operation in the North. The American perspective was to separate these two missions, focusing on appeasement policy and the training of Malian troops to postpone any major military initiative headed by the UN: elections rather than the intervention.

    Sudden breakthrough of Islamists to the south, which literally caused the French intervention, but devoted the failure of this perception: Washington, who had invested heavily in the training of the Malian army, found, helpless, as good number of executives and elite units known that he had trained had defected and joined the rebels. However, the U.S. administration continues to mark his distance.
     
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    I wonder if it also has anything to do with the fact Europe stood in favour of the proposed Palestinian state and the application of the NPT to Israel. They were left pretty much on their own, completely isolated on that one, which they didn't appreciate but should have expected.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    @ Picdelamirand-oil

    It's kind of interesting to see Russia supporting France so much, while other NATO countries doesn't right? :smile:
     
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    That's what happens when you've already got 2 major deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In a way, too many boots on the ground may make matters worse as it starts to look too much like an occupation and Al-Quaeda International just tend to follow the UK/US wherever they go.

    I think the help is there if they really end up needing it but right now they're managing just fine. The bare fact is that the Islamists don't stand a chance in a head-on symmetric opposal of French forces and excessive troop volumes may have the affect of creating more targets and breeding resentment.

    The best foreign interventions were accomplished with a small amount of ground forces - Malaya, Borneo, Oman, Libya... If you actually need large numbers to win an asymmetric war, the chance's are that you've already lost it and haven't realised yet.
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel IDF NewBie

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    In case of UK, or US but there are enough other NATO partners that doesn't help much either. If the French needs more tankers and better reconnaissance, why doesn't Germany, Italy or Spain provide KC 130s, or A310 tankers, UAVs or Tornados?
     
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    america is reduced its dependence on.oil.due to its shale gas revolution
    they are still struck in afgahanistan
    n pressurising iran so
    france single handedly fighting with al kayda
    to save his intrest in this african region
    majority of uranium for its nuclear reactor are sourced from africa
     
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    Russians who wishes to engage actively in the conflict by offering France a military assistance is sending an Antonov 124, men of the 224th Air Detachment and instructors in Mali.

    Obviously there are two reasons for this unexpected decision. The first reason is economic and strategic. The Russians have very old ties with Mali. Already during the Soviet era, Bamako had established many contacts with Moscow, which also formed thousands of students including former Malian President Amadou Toumani Toure, who himself had taken several courses in Russian paratroopers.

    In addition, the Soviet Union has long operated gold in Mali and now, large Russian companies like Gazprom for gas, for Severstal steel or Rosatom in the nuclear, all have significant energy interests economic and strategic in all countries around the combat zone. For them, as for French companies elsewhere, too long a destabilization of the region and a deterioration of the situation would be catastrophic.

    The second reason is mainly diplomatic and highly symbolic: the proposal of the Russians (who are the front line of Islamic fundamentalism in the Caucasus but also in Syria) is a strong and clear message to the French: "We just help you fight Islamists in Mali so stop support in Syria! "A wise ...
     
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    In the nerve center of the French army, a complex buried beneath the ground, boulevard Saint-Germain, in the heart of Paris, the officers drawn and bloodshot eyes. They are a quarantine in the center planning and conduct of operations (CCPO), assigned to the crisis cell dedicated to the operation Serval, Mali. In real time, 24 hours on 24, they monitor the intervention: intelligence analysis, deployment of forces, targeting air strikes, logistical needs, costing ... Meanwhile the rise of a operational command provided Dakar (Senegal), converging information and instructions are developed in this safe place, full of computers and topographical maps that cover the wall. At the top level, after a gray corridor, a room equipped with large screens allows you to converse with videoconferencing units deployed in Africa and elsewhere. Here are prepared the situation points and the various military options presented to the President of the Republic by the Chief of Staff.

    A senior officer confirmed: "We have the political green light to go for it and deploy multiple modes of action. This changes everything." The staff has learned from the episode Libyan and quickly forming an airmobile group composed of several attack and maneuvring helicopters ; their night raids had helped find the pick-up of Gaddafi hidden under tarpaulins, and change the face of conflict, which has slowed.
     
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    Mali: U.S. air support

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    Mali: the Islamist group Ansar Dine splits for a "peaceful solution":smokin:

    One of the three armed Islamist groups who occupy the north of Mali, Ansar Dine (Defenders of Islam) is split into two parts, one of its members Thursday calling for a "peaceful solution" to the fourteenth day of the 'French military intervention in Mali.

    This announcement comes as advocacy organizations Human Rights requested the opening of an investigation into allegations of abuses by Malian troops in the center of the country, especially against the Arab and Tuareg majority in armed Islamist groups.

    These groups, which control more than nine months from northern Mali, pounded for nearly two weeks by air strikes in the French army, showed for the first time Wednesday their divisions since the beginning of the intervention of Paris.

    The new group appears as the Islamic Movement of Azawad (MIA), Azawad is the name give the Touareg in northern Mali, plagued by separatist tensions for years.

    "MIA said the most solemn manner that differs completely from any terrorist group, condemns and rejects all forms of extremism and terrorism and is committed to the fight," he says in a statement received by AFP. "Composed exclusively of nationals (Mali) MIA reaffirms its independence and its desire to move towards a peaceful solution" to the crisis in Mali, he adds. The new group says "occupy" the Kidal region, more than 1500 km northeast of Bamako, near the Niger border.
     
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    Now it could go faster to end the war then expected, I guess the fast and strong reaction of France was too overwhelming for them, especially with heavy tanks and more ground troops on the way too. But France shouldn't let loose now and get them all, once and for all.
    What worries me though is, the reaction of other terror groups now with attacks in France. Your police and intelligence forces must stay in high alert at the moment and for quiet some time.
     
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    The French Army has announced that the staffs of the forces involved in Mali took place. First 100 French soldiers, led by General Gregory of Saint Quentin, Staff brigade based in Dakar and Bamako. It caps the terrestrial part of the operation and its air component Serval (directed N'Djamena, for aircraft based in Chad, Senegal, Côte d'Ivoire).

    Then, the staff of the African force, the Misma - 80 officers and eight countries - based in Abidjan under the authority of General Shehu Abdulkadir of Nigeria. Wednesday, 1,500 African soldiers were at work in Bamako, Markala (where the Burkinabe fall under the French) and Niamey (Niger and Chad).

    The staff Mali in Bamako, headed by Major General Ibrahim Dembele.

    Finally, the European mission EUTM Mali, which will be launched in Brussels on 12 February to train some 5,000 Malian soldiers, will be held by the French general Francois Lecointre. No HQ "supra" will coordinate this together. Paris stated that "ad hoc coordination will be established with Chad," which are not part of the ECOWAS.
     
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