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Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) - News and Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by Agent_47, Dec 12, 2016.

  1. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Do we know the type of turret they have selected???
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Really interested to see the plans for this product, now FICV is for tracked only it seems the WHAP is set to be inducted without having to go through the RFI/tender circus and there were reports the IA had already commenced user trails with it last year. Let's hope we hear about some mass orders for it soon (>800 units) and then a few years later it will be joined by a new tracked FICV.

    Indian Mil really is going through a transition phase right now, the sovier-era junk it has been using for the past 30-40 years will largely be replaced within the next 5-7 years. The Indian military of 2010 looked pretty similar to the Indian military of 2000,1990 and 1980 but the Indian military of 2025-30 will look nothing like the Indian mil of 2015.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Let's just hope it is not the BMP-2 one!
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    Indirectly related to FICV


    http://ajaishukla.blogspot.de/2017/07/private-firms-miss-out-on-rs-2400-crore.html?m=1
     
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  5. Hellfire

    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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  7. Schwifty

    Schwifty 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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  8. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    DPSU being given left over work in order to keep their lines open.

    The OFB/BEL combo had won the 1600+ upgrade tender and then the army canceled it.
    http://defenceupdate.in/bmp-2-upgrade-program-army-cancels-deal-with-ordnance-factory/

    So I suppose, now the remaining 1000 BMPs will be sent to private players.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    That is old news.

    http://defenceupdate.in/disappointi...0-crore-bmp-2-upgrade-ordnance-factory-board/


    This, I again reiterate, is because the OFB has a large work force aka vote bank and the powers that be, do not want them to get angry. That bureaucrats and OFB are in cahoots to provide sub-standard and shoddy work is but a given, so that continuation of procurement ex-India remains unhampered.

    It is like the OFB says that their 7.62 x 51 is world class yet no word on why they want a foreign collaborator to design and absorb technology. Probably they are scared Punj Lloyd will do a better job :D
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    There is so much money to skim off the top. Low quality = more money for their bottomless pockets.

    But I don't get why the army accepts low quality stuff. We both know about retd Gen VK Singh and Tatra. There's vested interests everywhere.

    Why can't we have more of this?
    https://www.stratpost.com/litigation-mig-21-fighter-crash/

    If the army rejected everything below a certain quality level, the OFB will be forced to fix itself.

    All companies say their stuff is world class even if it falls apart when you touch it.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate Staff Member MODERATOR

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    The answer: Morally Corrupt Indians. Simple as that.

    There was an era when an officer would die rather than deviate from OLQs (Officer Like Qualities). Today, majority will not be able to recite the OLQs!! @vstol jockey can attest to this fact
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Overhauling the OFB is an impossible task. The only way forward is competition. Competition with the private industry. Without that, we got nothing.
     
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    The future of the Indian Army’s long-delayed $7.5-billion (FICV) programme is expected to be taken up when the (DAC) meets later this month.

    A source told FE: “At the recent Defence Procurement Board (DPB) meeting, it was decided to let the DAC take a call about reissuing expression of interest (EoI) for the FICV.”
    No firm decision was taken by the DPB as some companies, including MahindraGroup, Tata Motors and Reliance Defence, which were declared non-complaint earlier this year have been making representations.
    For the 2600+ vehicle order, the Indian companies which are trying include L&T, Mahindra, Tata, Bharat Forge and Reliance Defence. The potential original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) will include US-based General Dynamics, Russian companies under the umbrella of Rosoboronexport and the German Rheinmetall Group, subject to approval, among others.
    The earlier EoI for FICV, which is expected to have a life span of 32 years, was issued under the DPP-2008 and it has recommended a minimum 40% indigenous content.
    As reported earlier by FE, “As per the procedure, once the DPB addresses issues related to the FICV that were raised by certain companies earlier this year, it moves to the DAC.”
    A lot of issues, mostly procedural in nature, seem to be hampering further progress in the project. There also seems to be no clarity over the number of development agencies the MoD would need for this programme.
    Under the approved SP model, for the armoured vehicle segment, the first would be Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV), which is currently being considered under the ‘Make’ Category under DPP-2008.
    In February this year, former defence minister Manohar Parrikar had said “everything has been discussed about the project and there are certain aspects that are to be finalised”.
    The Indian Army had issued a request for information (RFI) in June 2015 to design and develop a new-generation combat vehicle platform called the Future Ready Combat Vehicle (FRCV). Under the project, 2,610 FICVs are expected to be built.
     
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    Decision on $8 bn Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle deal likely by July end



    When the Defence Acquisition Council headed by defence minister Arun Jaitleymeets end of this month, a decision is expected to be taken on one out of three options for the $8-billion Futuristic Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) project. The options before the DAC include: Withdrawing the earlier Expression of Interest (EoI), all five vendors to go ahead with Detailed Project Report (DPR) or to shortlist two out of five vendors for the DPR. “The biggest challenge for the third option is that none of the five bidders meet the requirements as listed in the present EoI and issued under DPP-2008,” sources told FE. As per the EoI, which could be scrapped, ‘two companies are to be shortlisted, who will build a prototype of the FICV costing about `3,000-4,000 crore. About 80 % of the cost of building these prototypes will be funded by the government. These will be then tested and evaluated by the Army.’ The private companies in the race include Larsen & Toubro; Tata Power (strategic engineering division), Tata Motors, Mahindra & Mahindra, Bharat Forge, Pipavav Defence, Rolta India, Punj Lloyd, and Titagarh Wagons and Ordnance Factory Board (OFB). L&T was being seen as a front runner in the programme. In February, L&T former chairman AM Naik had told mediapersons that the company is optimistic to get the huge deal. FICV is a classified project designed to provide certain operational capabilities to the Army. The contribution of the Indian industry in acquiring, developing and indigenizing critical technologies shall be one of the key criteria in assessment of various proposals.

    Sharing his views with FE about the delayed FICV programme, an aerospace and defence expert Ratan Shrivastava, said, “The EoI for the FICV has not seen much headway for the last 6 months, as some of the main contenders are non –compliant on essential parameters such as commercial and technical capability, which make up for more than half of the assessment.”

    “The MoD has received several representations, which are procedural in nature and the fact that this EoI was released under DPP-2008 whereas the present DPP-2016, Chapter 7, on Strategic Partnership Policy – Para 7 (d) is the segment for Armoured Fighting Vehicles. As the service life of the FICV will be 35 years, if the MoD was to retract the EoI issued under DPP-2008, the FICV programme can be moved to Chapter 7 of DPP -2016,” said Shrivastava, honorary advisor, FICCI space division. Shrivastava added that ‘such a move will be a win-win situation for both the industries as system integrators and the users (Indian Army), with a clear indigenization roadmap, lifetime product support and the identification of foreign OEMs supported by the MoD.’

    While the delivery of FICV shall be in a phased manner once the prototype is successfully validated, approximately 2,610 such systems or upgraded systems shall be procured by the MoD. The prototype would subject to a comprehensive evaluation process under operational conditions as per user requirements. Details of evaluation process would be spelt out during DPR stage. FICV will replace the existing BMP2/2K of the Mechanical Infantry units in a phased manner by MoD after successful validation of prototypes. These prototypes would be evaluated for their performance in plain and desert terrain.

    Provisions for periodic technology refreshers of FICV equipment shall be carried out for overcoming technology obsolescence and managing future proofing throughout its life cycle. The DA will be responsible for these technology refreshers and will be required to maintain an independent research and development facility for assessing all futuristic technologies before they are inducted into the operational system.


    http://www.financialexpress.com/eco...ombat-vehicle-deal-likely-by-july-end/781419/
     
  15. GuardianRED

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    1) Can we group the companies mentioned into the five vendors that are competing?

    2) It doesn't give the timeline for the completion of the prototypes or no. of prototypes

    3) Again doesn't give the timeline for the test phase.

    4) What guarantees are given that it is one of these prototypes will eventually be selected asFICV for the IA - and NOT suddenly we see final decision will be slept on - no order given and finally get cancelled and order be given to a DPSU???
     
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