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Future Main Battle Tank Of Indian Army - News & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by BlueOval, Aug 10, 2010.

  1. vstol jockey

    vstol jockey Colonel MILITARY STRATEGIST

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    Every gun is created for a specific purpose. Bofors gun is too heavy to be mounted on wheeled chasis. So it is good for Tracked and towed solutions.
     
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    True, IF a gun can be either wheeled (truck mounted) or like G-6 or Tracked like German PzH-2000, why would there be still need of towed artillery. Gone are the days when the batteries were safely firing from distance, now there are radars that locate the batteries based on their fire. Hence should the artillery not fire and scoot? Also with Towed artilerry there is only an advantage is that if the ride gets broken then you can change the ride, that is not possible with mounted artillery. but there is big advantage when mounted artillery can fire few rounds at the target and then displace before the counter battery fire comes on. the mounted artillery are able to move immediately after they fire.
     
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    Mobility is of essence for arty, terrain and tactics employed decide the kind of arty to use. Tracked SPGs move with strike formations and are most forward deployed. The wheeled is same as tracked except that it can reach those terrains where tracked arty can't reach like hills etc. Towed arty needs more support vehicles as it does not carry shells with itself like tracked and wheeled.
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    agreed but my point is if we develop a single gun say ATAGS

    now why cant we have different versions of the same gun ATAGS

    syas

    ATAGS - Towed ( though i dont see any benefit for it in todays war scenario / CSD)
    ATAGS - Wheeled / Mounted
    ATAGS - Tracked


    this is not just for the purpose off debating but so that i can understand increase my knowledge
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    LOl

    y9ou asked the question in the morning & here in the evening there is some news and update

    seems DRDO /OFB/ ADA are on a roll these past couple of months

    DRDO makes progress on Advanced Towed Artillery Guns System | idrw.org
     
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    So, as per your analysis, for heavy artillery would you not agree to have it mechanized (wheeled or tracked)
    Where as lower caliber infantry support guns be towed as mounting them is not value for money?
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    but i think lower calibre infantry support guns can be mounted on TATA ACE - chhota hathi
     
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    No. If you need arty to move with your tank strike formations, how can you do that with just towed arty? You can't keep re-locating them and its shells every minutes. You need them to move lock stock and barrel rapidly with tanks. You can't use wheeled arty which does not have armour plating to save it from sharpnels and ordinary small arms fire while moving with strike formations. So depending on the tactics, you need separate kind of guns for each job. MBRLs are used to pulverize a dug in well defended enemy at the start of offensive and also to engage them at long distances.
     
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    You can have same caliber of guns for all these variations but each will need changes for the specific task. Towed arty is generally used for sustained fire support where in the guns keeps firing for few hours continuously without being given time for cooling down. The sustained rate of fire of a gun is very different from rapid fire or multiple round simultaneous impact firing rate. The guns need to be moored to ground to be able to take the recoil loads. The towed arty does it by digging in and its weight while wheeled guns have jacks while the tracked have their weight only. Then comes the need for loading systems, wheeled and tracked guns usually have automatic loading systems while towed have manual loading.
     
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    Ha, but everything in the article is already known through ATAGS posters displayed at the last DEFEXPO. Nothing new about the
    gun itself.
     
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    Ace? No way...but we can mount it on the Tata LSV, Mahindra Axe and the Tata LAMV-derived vehicles.
     
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    ACE can carry loads upto 1.5 tonnes

    very rugged and can carry 2+2 people
     
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    Paliwal Warrior Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    what progress has been made
    is clearly told in this article

    now posters will not tell at what stage the program has reached

    prototype by 2016
     
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    Who cares about the progress because we can be 100% sure it won't be delivered on time. I want to know it's capabilities.

    [​IMG]
     
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