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Future Main Battle Tank Of Indian Army - News & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Army' started by BlueOval, Aug 10, 2010.

  1. VinodKumar

    VinodKumar 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    failed to impress army ? nonsense the army didnt wanted it and made excuses like a child . they change specification requirement every damn year and say make it in one month. sorry to say but OUR ARMY IS BIASED TOWARDS T 90 T 72 ...
     
  2. flanker143

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    its almost funny when u say that army is biased towards t 90 and t 72s, imo IA is going on full throttle with arjun seeries.
    even the fmbt was cancelled in favour of developing better arjun varients.
    t90 and t72 imo are medium tanks and cannot be compared to a heavy mbt like arjun.
     
  3. VinodKumar

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    Yes they are biased and its not funny at all . arjun is heavy because of army changing the requirements . like the IAF did with tejas same thing army is doing with arjun . and for that you know that T90 desert trail was held in cold Siberia in Russia . and you telling me army is not biased? Look at the navy for god sake they don't complain about the platform all the time just they come in help the DRDO to get the best of it .
     
  4. VinodKumar

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    The Arjun battle tank acquires a growing fan club

    Ajai Shukla / New Delhi June 16, 2008, 0:45 IST

    India's own Arjun tank is finally proving its worth. Despite continuing criticism from an army establishment that judges the Arjun far more strictly than foreign purchases like the T-90, the Arjun is successfully completing a gruelling 5,000-kilometre trial in the Rajasthan desert.

    During six months of trials, the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), along with tank crews from the army's 43 Armoured Regiment, have proved not just the Arjun's endurance, but also the ability of its computer-controlled gun to consistently blow away suitcase-sized targets placed more than a kilometre away.

    The army's Directorate General of Mechanised Forces (DGMF), which must eventually okay the tank, is not impressed but key decision-makers are rallying behind the Arjun.

    The head of the Pune-based Southern Command, Lieutenant General N Thamburaj, strongly backs the Arjun. On a visit to the Mahajan Field Firing Ranges in Rajasthan to watch his troops exercising, Lt Gen Thamburaj noticed the Arjun firing nearby.

    After walking across, he was invited by the DRDO team to drive and fire the tank. Half an hour later, the general was an Arjun backer; two holes in the target he aimed at testified that a soldier without previous experience operating tanks could get into the Arjun and use it effectively.

    Business Standard has evidence of many more such incidents. On June 29, 2006, the commander of the elite 31 Armoured Division, Major General BS Grewal, visited the Mahajan Ranges along with a colleague, Major General Shiv Jaswal. Both drove and fired the Arjun for the first time that day; the two rounds that each fired punched holes through targets almost two kilometres away (see picture).

    That same month, 43 Armoured Regiment, which is the first army tank unit equipped with the Arjun, pronounced itself delighted with the Arjun's firing performance. After firing trials in summer 2006, 43 Armoured Regiment endorsed: "The accuracy and consistency of the Arjun have been proved beyond doubt."

    But the establishment was quick to strike back. Barely three months after that report, the commanding officer of 43 Armoured Regiment, Colonel D Thakur, was confronted by the then Director General of Mechanised Forces, Lt Gen DS Shekhawat. Eyewitnesses describe how he was upbraided for "not conducting the trials properly". But in a career-threatening display of professional integrity, Colonel Thakur's brigade commander, Brigadier Chandra Mukesh, intervened to insist that the trials had been conducted correctly.

    In a series of interviews with the army, including the present Director General of Mechanised Forces, Lt Gen D Bhardwaj, and with the MoD top brass, Business Standard has learned that opposition to the Arjun remains deeply entrenched. This despite the soldiers of 43 Armoured Regiment declaring that if it came to war, they would like to be in an Arjun.

    Minister of State for Defence Production, Rao Inderjeet Singh recounts: "I've spoken, off the record, to officers who have gone through the trials. Even the crews (from 43 Armoured Regiment)… who have been testing the tank… I forced them to choose between the Russian tanks and the Arjun.

    I said, you've driven this tank and you've driven that tank (the T-90). Now mark them out of ten, which tank is better? And I've found that the Arjun tank was given more numbers than the T-90 tank."

    With new confidence, the Arjun's developer, the Central Vehicles R&D Establishment (CVRDE), is arguing strongly for "comparative trials", in which the Arjun would be pitted head-to-head, in identical conditions, with the army's T-90 and T-72 tanks. But the DGMF continues to resist any such face-off.
     
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    If there was ever an Indian Army officer who was not in favour of indigenisation and Indian made military hardware, that distinction must be the sole propriety of Lt. Gen. Bhardwaj, the DGMF of the Indian Army.

    He is so myopic and biased against anything Indian that he would unashamedly opt for anything that has a foreign tag.

    When the Arjun has been improved and ungraded time and again just to please the Army officers even though it has consistantly outperformed the Army's quality requirements, people like Bhardwaj have been clinging on to rust buckets such as T-72.

    Even when the Arjun has proved beyond any doubt to be a better tank than the much vaunted T-90, it is criminal and tantamount to being traitors when the Army does not want it in its strike forces. If a proven tank is not to be an offencive weapon of choice, it shows how obsessed the Army is with its Russian equipment.

    So long as the GOI and MOD listens to people like Bhardwaj. the future of the Indian Army and its readiness to face external threats would be compromised to the detriment of the jawans in the field and the nation as a whole.
     
  7. VinodKumar

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    Afteri see army attitude towards our own tank .if feel India should sell it to China n Bangladesh n shrilanka n Vietnam etc . bcoz our forces are too busy to see the truth .they just want more forigen maal.
     
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    when i said heavy i didnt mean to say that in a bad way !, if u see the pic the posted yourself that the weight of arjun is inline with other modern tanks of the world and this isnt bad at all ,
    it is a thing of past when being a medium tank meant that u had better mobility , now with todays tech even heavy tanks can have the same mobility as the medium tanks , this has been proved with our arjun as well , take a look at the turret traverse , hull traverse , offroad speed , fording capabilities of arjun, being heavy doesn't mean that you are lacking anything , it only means that you have a really good armour protection, which is again has been proved with arjun.
    And as for t90 procurement , india has a huge stockpile of t72 tanks which are not going to last forever , so something had to replace it , and since arjun wasnt ready at that time , t90 owing to commonality made sense.
    to put it roughly our current armor comprises for t72 and t90s in future it WILL be t90 and arjun. And mark my words t90 is the last foreign tank india will procure.
     
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    I will be more than happy my friend if India buys last t90 . you know my friend my house is near the tank factory HVF n CVRDE both are in avadi ( armed vehicle ammunition depot of India ) its in CHENNAI.
     
  11. VinodKumar

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    Plus a tank force with NICMA vehicle with ani tank missile that would be damn leathel.
     
  12. VinodKumar

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    [​IMG]
    Well you don't see until you live in avadi a tank by side of vehicles.
     
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    DRDO offered an variant called TANK EX to address weight issue so that it can be deployed in north east and ladakh but army straight away rejected it

    now they want T-90MS for deployment in high altitude LOL

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  15. VinodKumar

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    that shows negligence towards home grown systems . they will say add this add that add protection add anti tank missile add IR add laser finder add big engine and at last we cant take it beacuse its heavy.LOL
     
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