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Future of Indian Navy : A complete compilation

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Gessler, Aug 31, 2014.

  1. rocky.idf

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    The English (among the British) don't seem to realize that the days of Pax Britannica are over.
     
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    Part-3 : Submarines (Nuclear & Conventional)

    Ballistic Missile Submarines (SSBN)

    S-5 "Avinash"-class
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    The S-5 are the definitive underwater deterrence platforms of the Indian nuclear triad. A total of 3 submarines of this class have been outlined, each one with a submerged displacement of approximately 20,000 tons and capable of carrying between 12 to 24 intercontinental ballistic missiles with Multiple Independently targeted Re-entry Vehicles (MIRVs). The K-5 SLBM with an estimated range of 6,500 to 8,500 kilometers is being developed for the purpose.

    It is not known if the S-5 submarine-class will be made to carry BrahMos cruise missiles in their torpedo tubes for defence against warships.

    The same "Shipbuilding Center" in Vizag on India's East Coast that is building the Arihant-class submarines will take up construction of the much larger S-5 afterwards. The vessels will be a powered by a new-generation 180-200MW pressurized water reactor being designed & developed by the DAE & BARC.

    Cruise Missile Submarines (SSGN)

    S-2 Arihant-class

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    The 3 Arihant-class nuclear submarines (1st one currently undergoing sea trials with the 2nd one most probably being fitted out), originally built as SSBNs, will be converted to an SSGN role carrying the Nirbhay 1,000+ km land-attack cruise missiles & the BrahMos 300km anti-ship cruise missiles in it's silos and torpedo tubes.

    It is estimated that each of an Arihant-class vessel's 4 silos can carry upto 5 Nirbhay missiles, giving a total of 20 such missiles in the silos, discounting any number that can also be carried in the torpedo tubes.

    The Arihant has a surfaced displacement of around 6,000 tons and an unspecified submerged displacement, estimated by unofficial sources as around 7,000 tons.

    Attack submarines (SSN)
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    The Indian Navy and the MoD have recently outlined a requirement for, to begin with, 6 attack submarines with nuclear propulsion. While it is estimated by naval analysts that this number could grow to anywhere between 9 to 18 in due course - the design of the submarine has not been revealed so far.

    Considering various sources, it has been deduced that it would be one of three possible designs -

    1) A slightly dowsized version of the Arihant-class design, but without any vertical SLBM launch silos & incorporating considerable acoustic-signature reduction measures

    2) Based on a Russian Akula/Yasen-inspired design, with completely re-done interior & aesthetics

    3) Based on the French DCNS Barracuda-class SSN design

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    All three offers would end up having the same reactor (derived from the one meant to go onboard S-5 SSBN). An approximate displacement of around 5,000 tons has been reportedly specified. The submarines will be capable of launching torpedos & anti-ship cruise missiles from the TTubes.

    Conventional Attack Submarines (SSK)

    Project-75I

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    The P-75I is a submarine tender which specifies the procurement of 6 advanced conventionally-powered submarines with fuel cell Air-Independent Propulsion (AIP) and the capability to launch BrahMos cruise missiles. While the details of the tender are already known, the choice of submarine, looking from a logistical & economic perspective, had better be the S80 Super Scorpene, which has a displacement of about 2,400 tons.

    Scorpene-class
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    The Mazagon Dock Ltd. (MDL) is currently engaged in building 6 of these advanced conventional submarines for the IN, each with a displacement of 1,560 tons, and the first one having been named INS Kalvari. The procurement has been repeatedly delayed with the first submarine expected to enter service in 2016. The order book is likely to be increase to 9 from the present 6 by next year.

    The IN Scorpenes will be equipped to launch SM-39 Exocet anti-ship cruise missiles and an as-yet-unselected new-generation heavyweight torpedo, with the choices being the SeaHake Mod4 and the Black Shark.

    Current prospects aim at 12 nuclear and 12-15 conventional submarines, with the nuclear number being capable of growing to anywhere upto 24.

    Next : Part 4 - Offshore/Inshore Patrol Ships
     
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    Indeed. The UK no longer has the influence and global power like before when it used to control and run 1/3 of the globe and it's navy possessed the world's unchallenged naval power. But, it does not mean the Ethiopia is better than us now. Nobody claims the greatest empire (empire in which the sun never sets) in human history still exists. But, it does still have influence in many aspects. For example, London (hosted Olympics for 3 times) is the world's most visited city, financial capital of the world and most powerful Alpha++ Global city, UK has permanent UNSC status, many oversea military bases and territories with military presence, UK is also the only country in Europe that is building 2x 72,000 tons brand new aircraft carriers, bigger economy, military budget, more nuclear weapons (useless imo), more sophisticated technology, innovation, better living standard, infrastructure, education, healthcare and welfare than India. BAE Systems is worlds 2nd biggest defence contractor and we still make some of the world's most advanced and top notch aircraft engines, missiles, cars, ships, destroyers, subs, aircraft, drones, weapons and others. UK is also the world's 4th biggest exporter after China, US, and Germany (India with over a billion population ranked only 18th). It is also the world's 2nd most generous or charitable country after the US, it has biggest navy and air force in EU and 2nd in NATO. It's language is the most successful universal language and UK also has the 2nd most number of nobel prize winners after US, and we also have pretty good records when it comes to human rights, press, freedom, democracy, human development index, ease of doing business, more top 2000 global fortune companies than any country in Europe and 4th in the world after US, China, Japan, incredible inventions and others. The list can go on all day long, but the point is we know we are not what we used to be, but still better off than many countries on earth.
     
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    Never-the-less some would call Britain a colony of USA which has not withdrawn it's military presence in that country since WW II.
     
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    America is basically a young, bright and clever son of an old mum called (Great, used to be) Britain.

    US gained it's independence from UK and America was founded by 13th British colonies. Many Americans still have British grandparents and blood in them. No wonder why they speak English.

    Whenever a new American president is elected, the first foreign country he visits is the UK and the first person he meets and greets is the Queen who is (powerless, but a commander in chief of the British Armed Forces) still the head of the 53 Commonwealth nations around the world.
     
  6. kaku

    kaku Major Technical Analyst

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    Why you coming up on everything bro, lets remain on Navy.

    Bro, I know what you trying to say. But see, currently UK dont have threat that kind they have in past. I am assuming, If RN's 3-4 destroyers blow down, it come to its knees.

    Bro, the auxiliary ships or support ship are used to support your own combat ship, Auxiliary ship doesnt give you power projection, but actually it increase the range of your power projection assets, even without these combat ship, these support ships are nothing.

    The main thing is how much firepower you have, and how much is the range of influence.
     
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    Just some facts for you!

    1x (yes one) 85,00 tonnes Type 45 ($1.7bn each) air defence destroyer could simultaneously track, engage and destroy more targets than 5x (yes five) Type 42 destroyers operating together. If we put a single Type 45 right next to Falklands, it is capable of shooting down the "entire" Argentine air force. And, we have 6x of them compared to France which has only 2x Horizon class (which is even inferior compared to Type 45 in terms of technology and radar). It's SAMPSON AESA radar can simultaneously detect and types all types of targets, including an object the size of a snooker ball travelling over 3x the speed of sound from a distance of 400 km. Have you ever heard of quality over quantity? And we currently have 13x frigates in service which are a lot newer and more advanced compared to the ships serving in many navies around the world. 4x additional Astute class ($2bn each) nuclear hunter killer stealth advanced submarines are being built and 2x of them are in service and 1x is being tested to be commissioned. You have no idea what they can do to the opponent's navy fleet. Even the commander in chief of the USN was very impressed by it's incredible capability, the state of the art technology and the sailors outstanding skills during the naval exercise taken in Florida. It's technology and software is more complex than building a sophisticated space shuttle. We have 4x SSBNs which are armed with Trident D5 which could hit anywhere in the world at a moment's notice and 1x of them rotates the globe for 24 hours a day and 365 days a year. Each of them carries 16x Trident D5, and each Trident D5 carries 100 kiloton nuclear warheads and each nuclear warhead is 30x more powerful than an atomic bomb dropped over Hiroshima. Doubt, anyone would dare to mess with us. There are 3x around 20,000 assault ships in service (1x of them was just decommissioned, but can be brought back to service if required during the war time for eg), plus 2x 72,000 tonnes 100% new supercarriers are under construction and both of them will be in service with the Royal Navy in a few coming years. There are also 3x around 16,000 tonnes Bay-class dock landing ships, 4x 23,000 tonnes sealift, 4x 36,000 tonnes tankers have been ordered and will be in service in 2016. We also have many other several replenishment oilers and tankers which enable the UK and NATO ships sail anywhere around the world. 13x Type 26 Global Combat Ships GCS have been planned to build for the Royal Navy and they will be installed with the Rolls Royce's Trent 30 engine which is the same one installed on America's latest destroyer Zumwalt class destroyers. When the carriers are launched, we could put 2x massive carriers at sea armed with at least 5x Type 45 destroyers, 10x Type 23 frigates, 6x submarines, 3 assault ships, 5 mixed of dock landing ships and other support ships in an emergency situation for example. That's 25x massive ships with some of the world's best technology, sensors, radars, missiles and outstandingly trained experienced sailors. If you think we are doing quite bad or our navy is in awful shape, i'd kindly suggest you have a look at our neighbours in the rich old civilized Europe.
     
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    No one saying RN is awful, but you can thank now to god that you got english channel ( not for situation like 1939 ), and not some kind of South China Sea, or Indian Ocean- Which is becoming a place for all navies?
     
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    The reason why we have always had a strong navy is because our country (little island) is surrounded by water. A bigger chunk of defence budget normally goes to Navy, then Air Force and Army receives less money due to our geography. (Hence: why we have only around 400 Challenger 2 tanks, even Greece or Poland has a lot more tanks than us). If the UK was located on the continent like France for eg, it would have had a much, much bigger Army with proper strong ground forces. So, it is pointless to argue that because of the English Channel, this or that didn't happen.
     
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    Bro, you even dont understanding. I think you dont know the reality of Indian ocean, everyone is nuclear here, everyone missile is pointing to each other.

    Even see the Navy of Singapore, a small city, even Delhi Metropolitan is larger than him, still have that kind of navy.

    Republic of Singapore Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    8 Submarines, 6 Frigates, 6 corvettes. You understanding what I am trying to say,
     
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    The size of Navy is not measured by quantity, but the total tonnes.

    Royal Navy (including RFA, Royal Marines) is around 800,000 tonnes which is 3rd biggest in the world.

    The frigates serving in the Singapore Navy (they call them frigates), but they (including their corvettes) are just light patrol boats by Royal Navy's standard. They are not designed to fight long range war in the other side of the globe with massive firepower and many support ships.
     
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    But this saying a different story,

    List of countries with warships - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And 3rd?

    where goes Russia and China, if you considering US as top.
     
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    Royal Navy (including RFA, Royal Marines) is currently around 800,000 tonnes, and we are planning to launch 2x 72,000 tonnes QE class and 4x 37,000 tonnes Tide class, and include Astute class, the total tonnes will go up to over 300,000 tonnes on top of current size 800,000 tonnes (11,00,000 1.1m tonnes total).
     
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    Ok, but still PLA is at 895,436 tonnage and Russian Navy is at 927,120. How it come 3rd, its fourth
     
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    I don't check wiki frequently. The last time i read about the size of navies around the world in defence journal, Royal Navy was ranked 3rd after the navies of US and Russia in terms of total tonnes. I didn't even realise we have already taken over by the Chinese. Anyway, i am still pleased with 4th globally, considering we have less than 65 million population. Let the Chinese fly when they have wings. Royal Navy's size will take over theirs when the carriers are launched (if they don't put any massive carriers at sea until 2018).
     
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