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Future of The Indian Navy: News & Discussions

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  1. Hindustani78

    Hindustani78 2nd Lieutant FULL MEMBER

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    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...g-term-plan-for-ina-lanba/article20667512.ece

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    Admiral Sunil Lanba, Chairman Chiefs of Staff Committee and Chief of the Naval Staff, reviews the Passing out Parade Autumn Term 2017 at Indian Naval Academy, Ezhimala, in Kannur on Wednesday.

    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...g-term-plan-for-ina-lanba/article20667512.ece

    Reviews passing out parade of Navy, Coast Guard cadets

    Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Sunil Lanba, who is also the Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff Committee, says the Navy has a long-term plan in place for the expansion of the Indian Naval Academy (INA) here.

    Talking to reporters after a passing-out parade here on Wednesday,

    Admiral Lanba said capability enhancement at the INA was going on according to the 15-year plan.

    Institutions like the INA also played a role in initiatives such as the Defence Diplomacy Fund for promoting cooperation with like-minded nations in the world. “The Navy trains a whole lot of sailors and officers from a number of countries. Officers from over 30 countries are trained on an yearly basis,” he said, adding that almost 1,000 personnel from the the friendly countries were trained by the Indian Navy.

    To a question, the Chief of Naval Staff said that the Navy had changed its pattern of deployment. Under the new mission-based deployment, ingress and egress routes of the Indian Ocean were safeguarded by deployment of ships and aircraft. He said the Navy had over the years increased the intake of women officers to be deployed in new avenues and branches such as the Naval Armament Inspectorate.

    To another question, Admiral Lanba said focus was given to the maritime security segment as the nation had now realised that the economic future and growth of the country was linked to the oceans. “Over 90% of our energy requirement comes through the oceans,” he said.

    Referring to projects such as ‘Sagarmala’ for development of boats and interlinking infrastructure and Prime Minister Narendra

    Modi’s initiative, Security and Growth for all the Region (SAGAR), he said that the Navy was working in close co-ordination to ensure maritime security in the global commons.

    Earlier, he reviewed the passing out parade of the cadets of the Navy and the Indian Coast Guard. After the parade, he presented medals to meritorious cadets. The President’s Gold Medal for the best cadet of the INA B.Tech. course was awarded to Midshipman Rishav Saha, Chief of the Naval Staff Gold Medal for the Naval Orientation (Extended) Course to cadet Anil Choudhary, Chief of the Naval Staff Gold Medal for the Naval Orientation (Regular) Course to cadet Gaurav Tyagi, and the Flag Officer Commanding in Chief (South) Medal for the best women cadet to Anjani Pandey.
     
  2. Hindustani78

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    http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...vessel-for-cadet-training/article21039329.ece

    Kochi, November 28, 2017 16:46 IST
    Updated: November 28, 2017 16:46 IST


    Private yard fails to deliver due to construction delays

    The Navy is learnt to have firmed up its plans to carry out a role conversion of the amphibious ship Magar to undertake cadet training in the wake of its plans to get two cadet training ships built for the purpose hanging fire.

    Magar, a landing ship and the lead vessel of the class, is expected to be sent soon either to the Cochin shipyard or the Naval Ship Repair Yard (Kochi) for full-scale conversion, during which it will get smart classrooms and other cadet training facilities before being attached to the First Training Squadron of the Navy.

    The First Training Squadron under the Southern Naval Command comprises ships ‘Shardul’ (originally an amphibious ship), the aged ‘INS Tir’ which recently underwent an extensive refit, ‘INS Sujata’ (built as a patrol vessel), Coast Guard ship ‘Sarathi’, and sail training ships ‘Tarangini’ and ‘Sudarshini’. It takes care of sea training of cadets.

    With the expansion in infrastructure in mind, the Navy, following proper tendering procedure, had contracted the private sector ABG shipyard for building two purpose-built vessels for ‘afloat’ training of cadets. The 970-crore contract was awarded in June, 2011, but what was hailed as a big push to the private sector in naval ship building soon ran into problems, thanks to design issues.

    Each of the two vessels was to be 110 metres long, with a displacement of 4,000 tonnes, and capable of cruising at 20 knots. According to the contract, the first vessel was to be delivered in 42 months and the next, six months later.

    But construction delays marred the project and the Navy was forced to convert operational vessels for training requirements of the squadron in the meantime.

    In 2015, the then Vice Admiral Sunil Lanba, head of the Southern Naval Command — now Admiral and chief of the Navy — told The Hindu that the project had resumed after money had been pumped into the cash-strapped yard as part of a corporate debt restructuring (CDR) measure. He said the first ship would be ready by the end of 2016.

    Reports, however, suggest that the debt-laden shipyard had filed for bankruptcy, following which the procedure is under way on the part of the banks that had lent it funds to put it on the block. The Hindu’s attempt to elicit a response from the yard on the fate of the vessel hit a deadend, as calls and an e-mail sent to its chairman Rishi Agarwal elicited no response.
     
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    Ministry of Defence
    29-November, 2017 15:38 IST
    Rear Admiral Sandeep Beecha takes over charge as the Commandant, Naval War College

    Rear Admiral Sandeep Beecha took over the reins of the Naval War College from Rear Admiral Monty Khanna, AVSM, NM as its third Commandant, at a ceremonial parade held at INS Mandovi, Goa on Wednesday. Naval War College is the pre-eminent Iconic Institution facilitating Higher Education, War gaming and Cutting Edge Research on Maritime Security and Warfare at Strategic and Operational level.

    Rear Admiral Sandeep Beecha is an alumnus of Naval Academy and was commissioned in the Indian Navy on 21 Jul 1986. He is a Navigation and Direction Specialist. He has commanded CGS C-05, INS Ajay, INS Vindhyagiri, INS Rajput and he has earlier served at Goa as Commanding Officer of INS Mandovi. His staff appointments include Joint Director Staff Requirements, Naval Assistant to the Vice Chief of the Naval Staff and Principal Director Foreign Cooperation, all at Naval Headquarters, New Delhi.

    The officer has undergone the Principal Warfare Officers (PWO Basic) Course at HMS Dryad (UK), the Staff Course at the Defence Services Staff College, Wellington and the Naval Higher Command Course at Mumbai. He is a post graduate in Defence Studies and holds the degree of MSc in Strategic Studies.

    The officer has also served in the capacity of Naval Adviser at the High Commission in London from Sep 12 to Mar 16. On promotion to Flag Rank, the officer was appointed as the Flag Officer Gujarat Naval Area from 30 Mar 16 to 28 Nov 17 and presently took over as Commandant of the Naval War College, Goa on 29 Nov 17.

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    Ministry of Defence
    29-November, 2017 10:28 IST
    Navika Sagar Parikrama - Tarini Enters Lyttelton

    INSV Tarini entered Lyttelton port (New Zealand) today during it’s maiden voyage to circumnavigate the globe. This is the first-ever Indian circumnavigation of the globe by an all-women crew. The vessel is skippered by Lieutenant Commander Vartika Joshi, and the crew comprises Lieutenant Commanders Pratibha Jamwal, P Swathi, and Lieutenants S Vijaya Devi, B Aishwarya and Payal Gupta.

    Smt Nirmala Sitharaman, Hon’ble Raksha Mantri had flagged-off INSV Tarini from Goa on 10 September 17. The vessel has covered 7800 Nautical miles from Goa, crossing the Equator on 25 September 17 and Cape Leeuwin on 09 November 17.

    The indigenously-built INSV Tarini is a 56-foot sailing vessel, which was inducted in the Indian Navy earlier this year, and showcases the ‘Make in India’ initiative on the International forum.

    The expedition titled ‘Navika Sagar Parikrama’, is in consonance with the National policy to empower women to attain their full potential. It also aims to showcase ‘Nari Shakti’ on the world platform and help revolutionise societal attitudes and mindset towards women in India by raising visibility of their participation in challenging environs.


    The vessel would return to Goa in April 2018, on completion of the voyage. The expedition is being covered in five legs, with stop-overs at 4 ports: Fremantle (Australia), Lyttleton (New Zealand), Port Stanley (Falklands), and Cape Town (South Africa). Presently, the vessel has covered two of the five legs of the voyage, with the first port halt at Fremantle (Australia) in October.

    The crew has also been collating and updating meteorological, ocean and wave data on a regular basis for accurate weather forecast by India Meteorological Department (IMD), as also monitoring marine pollution on the high seas. They would interact extensively with the local populace, especially children, during the port halt to promote Ocean sailing and the spirit of adventure.

    The vessel is likely to depart Lyttelton on 12 December 17.

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    I have been complaining this aspect for years. We don't have a true Universal VLS like every other major navy.

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    Basically we already have UVLM on P15A and INS Ranvir. Also planned installation for P15A

    please read the 3rd para (http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=15)
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    But I'm unable to find the integrated missiles for UVLM as wiki page of P15B suggests "All the missiles will be fitted into a Universal Vertical Launcher Module (UVLM)." And P15B will mainly carry Nirbhay,Brahmos and Barak-8ER.

    No other info about UVLM is available in open media and I don't have any linked source at Brahmos Aerospace.
     
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    We have two systems

    1. UVLM

    We have used them in Brahmos as of date.
    Made by L& T & DRDO

    • The Universal Launcher is a multi-role, modern launcher designed and developed by L&T jointly with DRDO/ R&DE (E).
    • The all-electric system designed for a payload of over 2000 kilos is configured on a TATRA vehicle.
    • The system is designed for vertical launch as well as for tracking and launching of missile in inclined mode.
    • It is fitted with electro-mechanical outriggers with an auto-levelling feature, which stabilizes the launcher.
    • This Universal Launcher can be configured for a range of containerized/ canisterised missiles.
    http://www.larsentoubro.com/heavy-e...on-systems/medium-range-long-range-launchers/

    L&T in collaboration with DRDO has successfully developed, manufactured and delivered Vertical and Inclined Launcher Modules for the Brahmos Missile System for the Naval Platforms. The Fire Control System for the naval platform is completely designed, developed and manufactured by L&T. The Universal Vertical Launch Module (UVLM) system is a modular launch system for canisterised BrahMos missiles on board ships and controlled by a Fire Control System (FCS) which has been developed in-house.

    http://www.larsentoubro.com/heavy-e...aval-weapon-systems/missile-launcher-systems/

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    Brahmos Image in Def Expo

    The same is also deployed in Navy ships

    What is important to understand is
    1. These allow multi mission flexibility under one cluster of missiles deemed ready for the mission implying AShM+LACM in the same 4, 4x2, 8, 8x2 configuration.
    2. As mentioned above any canisterised missile which matches the diameter and length limitations of the canister cellbox and uses a similar launch mechanism and is configurable into the FCR, CMS and Launch systems drawing from power to automatic operations can be used.
    3. We need to see the other possible missiles canisterised to match this configuration
    2. The other is VLS
    Vertical Launch System.. Here we have many contenders but take an example of Barak 8
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    Courtesy IDRW

    The same is applicable for naval version as well. it bascially comes in 4, 8, 8x2 cell configurations

    If you see the basic missile canisters

    Brahmos canisters are designed for any missile fitting 9m length and 0.7m diameter
    Nirbhay otoh is approx 6m length and 0.52 m diameter
    Barak 8 - 4.5m and 0.54m dia
    Barak 8 ER - 6m and 0.54 m dia
    Brahmos NG length of approx 5m and 0.6 dia
    Thus i certainly believe the future of UVLS consist of

    Brahmos UVLM - AShM + LACM -
    Nirbhay + Barak 8 ER - LACM+ AShM paired with SAM under one Cell option

    Both these cells will have similar dimensions in total cell width but different length allowing different placement positions

    Left is VLS Barak 8. IF we can pair the same with Brahmos NG then we get another UVLM subject to dimesison well within limits of new Brahmos NG (length and dia both). or else it will be just a VLS Barak 8..
     
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    Thats what i said UVLS is just a fancy name. It can't fire all or many of our missiles.
     
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    This is what I expect on P15B and it suits what is written on wiki page "All the missiles will be fitted into a Universal Vertical Launcher Module (UVLM)."

    But the concept images showing the same config which is very similar to P15A

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    Upper view of P15A for comparison
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    That's point of concern, If it can't fire variety of missiles than why BrahMos Aerospace patented with Universal tag.
     
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    @ni8mare can talk better on these.. at the time of launch i remember these pics

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    For all brahmos variants.
     
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    @X_Killer

    Satellite pics shows P15B with same EXACT configuration as P15A
     
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    I already checked them.. thanks
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    but I want to know about UVLM ( general name UVLS) as the quote from wiki confusing all this because it is technically feasible as we will have missiles with almost same diameter but not visible in config..
     
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    Actually it is quite visible ...first two larger vls holes are for UVLM (2x) whereas smaller are for B8 (2x).

    I think UVLM/UVLS is same thing but different names. If you are looking for UNIVERSAL-VLS that will fire any missiles, which is very much possible but no indication or plans shows for such VLS by navy. Further most of the missile are of different dimension. UVLM is 9m x 0.7m any thing that comes closer is only nirbhay with is 7.5m x 0.52m besides BMos. Now that is massive space, warships where space is limited we cannot use such VLS just for smaller missile which is why smaller VLS for B8 are used. If we truly need UNIVERSAL-VLS similar like USN then present UVLM needed to optimization for multiple missiles eg. quad packing B8 missile which is 4.5m x 0.225m with folded wings with shorter length say at 5.5m X 0.7m which also saves upper and lower deck space ...
     
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