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Future of The Indian Navy: News & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Gessler, Aug 31, 2014.

  1. HMS Astute

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    When those ships sail to other side of the world, they have to bring the RFA ships alongside in order to carry out very important tasks such as refuelling, repairing, transporting Royal Marine commandos, tanks, trucks, helicopters, bombs, food, special forces, ammunition, tools, war fighting equipments and other supplies etc. And that's where the Royal Navy's Blue Water power projection comes from. RFA's massive support ships are normally deployed in the Gulf (part of USN's carrier strike group), Middle East, Africa and South Atlantic regions.

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    Exactly. They are not combatants, so they do not add any strength to the surface fleet of the RN. The only combatants you have
    are the 6 Darings and 13 Dukes. You can be sure the RFA can't even come out into contested open seas if these combatants are in trouble
    and with enemy warships moving around.
     
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    You are clearly clueless about how the CSG "Carrier Strike Group" operates and how Royal Navy is run then. Our Response Force Task Group surely do not go to a war without support and supply ships from the Royal Navy's branch RFA which played a vital role during Falklands War. Royal Navy won't be able to deploy and operate it's Royal Marines, Special Boat Service (SBS), Special Forces, Commandos and landing operations in any part of the globe at a moment's notice without RFA's strength and it's power projection.
     
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    Tell me this : if your 6 Darings & 13 Dukes are either dead or damaged, where exactly is the CSG or RFA going ?

    A Navy is nothing without it's main surface combatants. And in this department, IN has more nos. and more tonnage than RN or
    French navy. You manage to operate across the world partly because of the fact the
    USN supports your ops in various ways.

    When on you're own, it's completely up to the main surface combatants to ensure
    the RFA gets to it's destination safely without being blown up. That's why we are
    comparing the strength of the main surface combatants, their numbers & tonnage.
     
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    Like i said, number does not matter anyway. You can have 100x ships of 1000 tonnes in your navy and call it you have a bigger navy than a navy with 10x units of 10,000 tonnes ships. Let alone the long range war fighting experience, professionalism, exceptional training, naval tradition, innovation, invention, production, top notch technology, tactics, strategy, communication systems, support units, logistics and maritime expeditionary capabilities of each navy.

    Blue-water navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    When you blow up the 3 Dukes here (the other ship belongs to USN), this group is pretty much defunct, isn't it? It can't face enemy
    warships on it's own, it can't hide and it can't even run.

    I am not considering the other aspects of a Navy - just the main surface combatants. The other aspects such as amphibious warfare
    capabilities, or fleet auxiliaries, depends upon the commitments a country has...our own fleet would grow when we get to have more
    commitments to safety & security around Indian Ocean Region. But as of now, we don't have such commitments or needs, hence
    no point in counting in auxiliaries - they are not combat ships.
     
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    This clearly shows how little you know what the operation is about . There is only one ship (right) in that picture that belongs to the USN. The rest of them are British ships. Auxiliaries, logistics, supply and support ships are vital for any navy that wishes to establish, possess and operate a navy with worldwide power projection force called "Blue Water" navy capability. On top of that, we are fortunate to be able to still maintain and operate many oversea territories and military bases around the world which are part of the tactics and battlefield strategy.
     
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    Such a contrast may exist between USN & North korean navy, but between IN & RN or French navy it does not. See for yourself
    if you don't believe me.

    I think you are in the delusion that I'm trying to somehow downplay the role or commitments of RN across the globe, I am not.
     
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    Eh? Isn't that what I said? There are 3 Duke frigates in the pic, the ship on far right is American, so count that out. All the rest are not
    combatants - they are docks, replenishment or auxiliaries. If the Dukes are down, these ships are helpless in face of enemy warships.
     
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    That's why i said how little you know what the operation is about. The task force group was sailing in the Med sea which means zero threat level except of course the African asylum seekers in sinking boats and desperate pirates if you count them as threats and that means the capability of those frigates are more than enough, in fact they were even unnecessary to play the escorting role as those supply ships (armed with helicopters, special forces, fast attack small boats and missiles) were neither sailing near the hostile areas nor going to a war. When the QE carrier is deployed oversea as a CSG, it will be escorted or followed by at least 1x RFA's massive supply ship, 1x assault ship LPH or LPD, 1x or 2x Astute class advanced hunter killer attack sub, 2x Type 45 world's most advanced AAW destroyers, and 2x or 3x Type 23 and Typep 26 Global Combat Ships, let alone the firepower of 5th generation stealth fighter jets on board and that's an enormous power projection of a modern navy if you ask me. We don't deploy all the ships just to show off and take some cool pictures, but we deploy ships all over the world based on the requirements of the task and operation of the UK and NATO. Same goes to air force too, you can have as many combat fighter jets as you want, but power projection or long range strike capability of your air force is useless (never mind if you want to be capable of fighting in your own backyard only) unless you also have many massive transport planes, airlift, refuelling tankers, and AWACS aircraft etc. Same term applies to the importance of auxiliary capability in the navy as well.
     
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    IN has 140 vessels and another 41 are in building Que
    besides these ships listed above

    And yes i agree, we need at least 250 vessels
    185 is far too less
     
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    How will it look like when they're sailing in highly contested seas with potent enemy warships around?

    I thought we were discussing about combatants. Regardless the same rules apply here too. It are the combatants (Darings, Dukes) that have to make sure that the carriers, auxiliaries are safe. The loss of these combatants will mean that the CSG is no longer combat effective (CE).
     
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    what about

    Bases and commands
     
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    Still a lot to be covered...I will also include dedicated comms satellites of IN etc. (Space arm)
     

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