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Future of The Indian Navy: News & Discussions

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Gessler, Aug 31, 2014.

  1. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    First of all, a CATOBAR carrier is years away.
    More importantly though, it still require the US to approve the sale of catapults.
    And for the shore based requirement alone, a DRDO AWACS is the better option, because it's cheaper and we can upgrade and customize it on our own. AWACS upgrades from US, are difficult even for NATO partners.
     
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  2. Gessler

    Gessler Mod MODERATOR

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    India’s Next Generation Destroyers (NGD) Project waits for Government Clearance : Report

    Vice Admiral DM Deshpande Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition (CWP&A), Indian Navy has confirmed for the first time that India’s Next Generation Destroyers (NDG) Project, which is still at the infancy stage is waiting for principal approval from the government of India. Sharing his vision for Next Generation Destroyers (NDG), he said NDG will be of 13000-tonne displacement warship with conventional propulsion and will feature next-generation weapons including laser weapons.

    Visakhapatnam class (Project 15B) is India’s latest stealth guided missile destroyers currently being built for the Indian Navy. Visakhapatnam class is improved version of Kolkata-class design having 7400-tonne displacement. lead ship “INS Visakhapatnam ” is scheduled to be ready for Sea Trials in mid of 2018 and its sister ship ” INS Mormugao ” by 2020. INS Porbandar will be forth and last, of the Visakhapatnam class stealth destroyer, which is expected to be delivered by 2024 leading path to the construction of Next Generation Destroyers (NDG) ships. In terms of Next Generation Destroyers Project initiated by China and USA, India’s Next Generation Destroyers (NDG) will be in the same league as of Chinese Type 055 destroyer, which is a 13,000-tonne displacement warship still under construction and Zumwalt-class destroyer, which is a class of United States Navy guided missile destroyers have a displacement of over 14000-tonne. Type 055 and Zumwalt-class both feature much-advanced stealth design with very low radar cross-section and are often described as multi-mission stealth Destroyers. Both Type 055 and Zumwalt-class have Ballistic missile/air defense capability which might be the reasons why Indian Navy also wants to include such capabilities in its Next Generation Destroyers leading to similar displacement.

    https://idrw.org/indias-next-genera...roject-waits-for-government-clearance-report/

    First of all this is from IDRW so keep that in mind (however they're quoting the serving V.Adm Deshpande so that adds credence).

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  3. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    13,000 tons, good lord!


    With such projected specs, the P-18s won't be in service for over a decade at least.
     
  4. GuardianRED

    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Honestly I think , the first para is being the true quote from the Vice Admiral , and the SECOND para - some lazy dreaming wishful thinking of the lazy reporter who had to fill in the quantity of words

    The Way forward is simply make the design with growth in mind. Instead waiting for STAR wars Hyper drive and lazer weapons - use current Gen designs (high level of stealth) , systems and weapons and with weapon load having a modeler design ie, this can be replaced with NG system ( similar to the LCS independence class)
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    I don't agree bro, P-18 can be the future gen ship with all these next-gen "toys" imagined, until then more P-15B/C can come and fill the void until teh tech is ready fro P-18.
     
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    GuardianRED Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    Fair Enough .... The last P15B will be commissioned in 2024 , so hopefully we would get a clearer picture of this NDG before that- I vote for this class of ship be called the "Defiant Class" ( before anyone say - yes we do have naval ship with an English name - ie INS Investigator -western command)
     
  7. Agent_47

    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    A 13,000 ton destroyer is unnecessary. Where are we going to use this? In Pacific ? Why not add nuclear propulsion. Hope this another fiction by idrw.

    But, Navy planners are over ambitious and it fits their character. You could never know.
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    Nuclear propulsion would be totally unnecessary for a destroyer. a 13k destroyer will be useful down the line to project power in the SCS, she'd have the power to 2-3 frigates.

    And this is at least 10-15 years away, by that time the threat enviroment will be very different.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Its a cruiser role when it reaches that size and capability. You an call it by any name.

    Lider-class destroyer

     
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  11. randomradio

    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    We need this level of capability to protect carriers in the near future. 7000-8000T destroyers can't do a particularly good job of it because the firepower is half that of a 13000T destroyer.

    Basically, our current crop of destroyers will be equivalent to the frigates of the post 2030 period. No different from how the Rajput class destroyer is no different from a Talwar class frigate now.

    The Chinese and Russians are planning to build 25000T cruisers as well.
     
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    how badly does the navy want a 3rd carrier? could purchase the USS Kitty Hawk from USA.
     
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    randomradio Mod Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Submarines take higher priority. It's because we are quite comfortable with our surface fleet.

    Then comes minesweepers, tankers and LHDs, followed by the carrier. The carrier's at the bottom of the priority list.

    The Kitty Hawk is not available for sale. Plus, it's only good as a reserve.
     
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    Also if it's sunk, u loses capability of 2-3 frigates..
    It's never a good idea to put more weapons on one platform when fighting a superior enemy, if I lose one u lose a lot. However, if u lose 1 out of 2 frigate, u lose 50% capability.

    What IN needs is about 8000 destroyers with 64 Barak 8/ 32 QRSAM and 24 brahmos/Nirbhaya load as per mission.
    And u need atleast 3 with each carrier group. This will give u aload out of about 192 LRSAM load for air defence. Plus LRSAM on carrier.
    Along with it, u need atleast 3 Shivaliks with 32 Barak 8 and 16 brahmos load out to give very strong AD and ASM capability.
    For ASW capability u can usefrigates and nuclear sub escort and integral ASW helos

    I don't think India should go for above 10K destroyer instead we should build more in number with each ship packed with weapons to give more punch.
     
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    Agent_47 Admin - Blog Staff Member MODERATOR

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    Tell that to USN.

    Is there any establish theory like 'moore's law of navy'?, since you explained its so bluntly.

    Logic should be requirement and technological advancements. We have already achieved multi role capabilities in ~8000ton. With ~100 UVLS is now giving it full flexibility. Like in a fighter, every tech is getting miniaturized. You don't need to be heavy to be effective. Getting big will only make you vulnerable to the enemy radars.
     
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