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Future "super destroyer",can India make it??

Discussion in 'Indian Navy' started by Indian Jatt, Mar 23, 2014.

  1. G777

    G777 Lt. Colonel ELITE MEMBER

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    lol, just designed somthing much worse than the KG6 but it has to be built in numbers. probably wont be exposed for years. Wow its cool.
     
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    So it should be like an anti tank missile with DUAL WARHEAD?
    That could work, would it not?
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    The CH53K is under development "only", sadly IAF made a stupid decision to not include coming heavy class helicopters in their competition too, otherwise it would had been the much better choice for heavy lifting and in a bigger order that includes the IN. But then again, you need to have the operational requirement and other than in humanitarian roles, there is not much need for heavy lifting or cargo. Then a higher number of medium helicopters might be more handy than just 1 or 2 heavy once.

    With 2 carriers and the upcoming support fleet, IN is a blue water navy for sure. JSSs, LDPs, or LHDs would only add to this capability, but are not a requirement. We have to keep in mind that we will mainly operate only in and around India, not like NATO forces all around the world.
     
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  4. Indian Jatt

    Indian Jatt Lieutenant FULL MEMBER

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    concept is cool but maybe in future they will need to move out of indian ocean.....dont u think???, if usa, france , uk have the license to move around the globe why doesn't india get one?
     
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    KLook at tu guys with yur ideas but my idea still beat always becuasse i fukin british ni rqcism, intende but i am drunk fuk like mad becu uii driknk too mucj at barrr butttt u gujuys just keep gointg with new isdeas becuxs i alredy made aideas dfor future so oyui justm maske eeeeeeeeeeeem okatttttyyyyyyyyy
     
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    hahagha i am soooooooooooi driunnk] goddambngvc luimiter fro 10 seconds
     
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    thinking of an idea doesn't make that urs, u have to patent it....have u???
     
  8. Sancho

    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    They do it, because they play global police in NATO operations, India doesn't. They do it, because they have no threat at their own borders, India has. They do it, to keep control of certain areas, India is only interested in keeping control around India and in the Indian Ocean...
    So we simply have different aims and requirements, which makes amphibious capabilities limited to humanitarian operations only and therefor the use of such capabilities is highly limited.
    Btw, nobody stops us from moving around the world, there is hardly another navy that is making so many visits to other countries to improve relations and with IAC 2, SSNs and SSBNs, we will at least increase our protection level against China too. But we won't be engaged in NATO wars, which requires sending large ammounts of naval forces around the world.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    If India aspires to be a true Blue Water Navy they should be able to project power beyond IOR. Which is simply not the case now.
     
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    Green-water navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Blue-water navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Blue water navy doesn't mean that you have to project the power to another part of the earth, but to deep sea and remain operations there for a longer period of time. IN so far was a Green water navy, but with INS Vikramaditya and the far improved support capabilities, they will be able to cover the whole Indian Ocean and could even go further if necessary (South Chinese Sea, Mediterranean Sea), the question is only how useful it is for Indian defence requirements?
    The main need now is the increase of long range subs and support ships, to really provide long range operational capability.
     
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    layman Aurignacian STAR MEMBER

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    TO tell you some insights i know what is Blue water Navy and What is Green Water Navy. And Thanks for your clarification.

    And second, In deep water for longer period of time doing what ? My dear... Get to the grip of reality. Projection of power doesnt mean you enforce a blockade or block the transit lanes in other countries... Rhetoric...
     
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    Sancho Lt. Colonel Technical Analyst

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    :coffee: The reality is not the same for everybody and is dependent to the defence requirements! India has not need to send out a fleet to China at the moment, but to keep control of their areas of interest. That means setting up Sea blockades, doing anti submarine missions, intercepting enemy fleets that pose a threat to Indian coast lines, or doing humanitarian missions around the Indian Ocean area. That's our requirement and that is only possible with a naval fleet that can operate independently, away from shore based support.
    The British navy currently don't even have an aircraft carrier to project air power and still can operate it's fleet in deep sea's for longer periods of time, see Libyan war for example, or in Blocking Syrian or Libanese ports. So your definition of projecting power and blue water navy doesn't fit, if you think it's only about projecting air power.
     
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    The idea has been done but never used in the military. Well, kind of. I dont want to patent such a thing. Any patent nowadays gets seen and copied. Ultimate secrecy is the best way.
     
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    I repeat again, the day of the big guns as being primary weapon are gone, also aircraft carriers due to its massive, size, cost and energy needs would reach their extinction soon. Though I still do advocate the use of basic gun )upto 5 inch guns ) on the super destroyer, the reason is that 5 inch round is good enough to hit any target in distance and sink it. But this is short range (1-20 kms) but what of the ranges beyond that.
    What an aircraft carrier has due to its aircraft is the ability to strike 1000 miles away, this capability should be handled by capable long ranges surface to surface and cruise missiles.
    The ability to handle reconaissance to be handled by Small UAVs mostly say amphibious so that their launching and recovery can be done.
    The anti air (aircraft and missile) role is to be handled by Medium and Short range SAMS, CIWS and the final part to be handled by Active protection system using directed energy ammo.
    Anti submarine role should be handled by Anti submarine submarine missles.
    Further i do propose to have 2 heavy long range torpedo tubes. this might help to create a multiple spectrum threat to the target and thus possibly making the target to use its entire defence to survive and increasing the destroyers chances of actually hitting and destroying the target
     
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    if u patent it and some one copies it that will become ur's because u have already made it in a project and u dont have that much money to build it and then what company will pay u 2.5 percent of the project.....:yahoo:
     

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