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Garud Commando Force

Discussion in 'Indian Air Force' started by Gessler, Mar 2, 2015.

  1. Abingdonboy

    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    This hunt has been going on for years now, I remember the IAF issuing such an RFI at least 5 years ago and then every couple of years since:

    http://indiandefence.com/threads/iaf-garud-commandos-looks-to-buy-new-armored-vehicles.55497/

    Let's hope they actually progress it once and for all now, having Garuds moving around in underpowered open tyop Gypsys is madness.

    Would make sense to go for the 7.62x51mm TAR-21s one would have thought?

    It's interesting how much this 7.62x51mm requirement is in vogue with the armed forces now, the IA, MARCOs and now Garuds are all on the hunt for such.


    + these RFIs are in addition to the ones sent out last year for new generation plate carriers for the Garuds.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    @Hellfire
    The numbers this time, and the previous tender for BPJs sometime back, tell me these are for the increase in numerical strength of the force.

    Addition of 2000....
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    It is confirmed the Garuds are expanding but AFAIK they are doubling in size to a total of around 2000, not an additional 2000 men to get to 3000.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    Some time back, when RFI for BPJs were issued , it asked for around "8000" BPJs.....

    So....
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    IAF is also re-equipping all of its QRTs and is imparting tactical training to support staff so they would need to be equipped accordingly.
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    1. Details for 1800 Sub Machine Guns

    Dimensions:
    (i) Length:
    (aa) With butt extended – Less than or equal to 690mm
    (ab) With butt folded – Less than or equal to 550mm

    (ii) Width : Less than or equal to 70 mm

    (iii) Height: Less than or equal to 275mm

    (b) Barrel Length: Less than or equal to 225mm

    (c) Weight (Without magazine) - Less than or equal to 3.20 kg

    (d) Magazine capacity: More than or equal to 25 rounds.

    Calibre: 9mm x 19 mm

    Effective Range :Minimum 100m

    Accuracy: Single shot/Automatic Fire

    Muzzle Velocity: More than or equal to 360m/s

    Rate of Fire: More than or equal to 800rds/min

    Reliability: Not more than one Class I or Class II stoppage and no Class III stoppage in a firing cycle of 2400 rds

    Ammunition: Be able to fire all types of 9 x 19mm ammunition.

    Life: (i) Shelf Life: More than or equal to 10 years (ii) Life of Barrel: More than or equal to 10000 rds

    Delivery: The delivery of the Sub Machine Gun to be completed within 180 days from the effective date of contract.

    No ToT sought .


    @MilSpec who are the probable contenders ???
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    2. Details for Pistol

    Dimensions:

    Length < 210 mm
    Height < 145 mm
    Width < 40 mm
    Weight: < 800 gm (Without magazine and accessory)

    Attachments: Should have an integral Picatinny rail to enable mounting of accessories/attachments such as tactical light and laser aiming devices

    Sighting System: Day and night Tritium sight

    Magazine capacity: > 15 rounds

    Calibre: 9 mm configured to fire 9X19mm Ball round

    Effective Range: > 25 meters

    Life: Barrel > 15000 rounds

    Reliability: In a firing cycle of 1000 rounds each in minimum and maximum temperature ranges, it should not suffer more than two – Class I, One – Class II and Nil Class III stoppages.

    @MilSpec
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    MP-9 is the most likely candidate I would have thought
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    More Glock 17s probably.
     
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    Hellfire Devil's Advocate THINKER

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    Overall SFs are being raised very quickly. Add 1+2 .. you might get 12 ;)
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    @Ankit Kumar 001 , Shiv Aroor is saying that the armoured vehicle tender will only be open to Indian vendors this time:



    Interesting, TATA LSV vs uparmoured Mahindra AXE in the running?
     
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    Ankit Kumar 001 Major Technical Analyst

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    3. APC details

    Crew: Crew capacity min six (including driver)

    Ground Clearance: Not less than 215mm when fully laden

    Turning Radius: The kerb-to- kerb minimum turning radius not more than 8 metre

    Payload: Not less than 550Kg

    Heating, Ventilation and Air- conditioning (HVAC): Effective cooling / heating / ventilation inside the vehicle to ensure crew comfort in all atmospheric conditions (Catering to Indian conditions)

    Operating Range: Not less than 350 Km on level highway

    Steering: Right hand drive with power steering

    Transmission: Automatic transmission with minimum four forward and one reverse gear with neutral. The transmission be either all time 4x4 or with provision to select 4x4 and 4x2 internally from the driver’s cabin.

    Braking System: (i) Anti-lock Brake System (ABS) meeting CMVR norms. (ii) Parking brake incorporated with ‘Parking Brake ON’, warning. Parking brakes should hold a fully laden vehicle at a 30º gradient.

    Suspension: Suitable suspension on all four wheels

    Engine: The engine should have minimum life of 1,00,000 Kms and be able to operate up to 3300 mtr elevation

    Max Speed: Not less than 100 kmph on level highway

    Approach Angle and Departure Angle: Approach and departure angle of minimum 30º each

    Firing ports: (a) Six firing ports to enable preventive fire from inside the vehicle (the location, shape and size of the port will be defined by the user) (b) Firing ports be equipped with a bullet proof glass (for protection against NIJ Level III) cover of minimum size 300mm (L) X 200mm (H), if rectangular, or minimum size 360mm (major diameter) X 240mm (minor diameter), if elliptical, which can be opened or closed only from inside.

    Side Slope Capability: Not less than 15º

    Length (Bumper to Bumper): Not more than 5 mtr

    Width (Wall to Wall): Not more than 2.25 mtr

    Height: Not more than 2.25 mtr with gunner hatch closed down excluding weapon mount, spare wheel and antenna

    Weight: Un-laden weight not more than 5000 Kg

    Windscreen: Should be bullet proof for protection against NIJ Level III

    Driver Door Window: The driver’s door window equipped with bullet proof glass for protection against NIJ level III

    Wheels: Five ‘Run Flat’ radial tubeless tyres with ability to ply minimum 5 km on level un-metalled roads on flat tyres with minimum speed of 25 kmph under maximum payload conditions.

    Turret: 360º traversing mount on the roof able to mount and fire a 5.56mm LMG at elevations of 600 or more and depression of 100 or more over a 3600 arc

    Gunner’s Hatch: Roof mounted with a minimum size of 0.6 m diameter equipped with foldable perimeter protection on all sides

    Hatch Door: Hatch door that can be closed and bolted from inside when not required with arrangements to secure it when opened to prevent inadvertent closing

    Seats: Auto folding seats with foldable foot rests not in contact with the floor of vehicle and suitable headrests. The driver and co-driver seats be equipped with bucket sliding seats and fore, aft, height and backrest angle adjustments (l) Seat Belts: Adjustable seat belts with minimum four way anchorage with provision for single handed, single buckle quick release for the front seats.

    All Round Protection: Provide all round protection up to NIJ Level III (n) Bottom Blast Protection: Be able to provide protection against two hand grenade 36 M blasts (put together) directly under the vehicle

    Windshield, Windows, Side and Rear Glasses: Provide protection against hits of five 7.62mm AK 47 fired from a distance of 30m

    @Abingdonboy
     
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    4. Night Vision Systems

    Modern binocular night vision goggle with wide field of view, effective handling, increased depth perception, simple maintenance with capability of mounting on a bullet proof helmet.

    Weight not exceeding 800 gms (excluding battery and other attachments)
     
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    Abingdonboy Major Technical Analyst

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    That's quite a vehicle they are after and a huge leap in capability over the Gypsy!
     
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